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"The US should do X and they suck because they don't!" Each state has it's own laws on education. Some places suck, some do not. It's not a monolith.

"The US has shitty beer lol" We have some of the best beer in the world but it's local/state/region only and never exported unlike fancy Euro beer.

The US for better or worse is a, hmmm πŸ€” a unity of government states under a federation called America. It's very hard to get federal laws and bills passed, especially for education. The states want the power to chooses for themselves what they do, and the federal government hangs above them, sometimes intervening.

We are a huge country that has a relatively unique circumstance of government, population, and young brutal history. I'm a Californian and I live in the Bay Area which almost literally a different country than most of America, especially the South and Midwest.

I'm so sick of people, especially smug Europeans, talking like they know Americans and America but they don't really know shit about us except the movies and going to NYC and Miami.

Yes I am having a bad day.

To be honest I love Europe and have friends there that I miss dearly! I've been many times. But dumbassery is dumbassery.

EDIT: You people are an exhausting swarm of pecking ravens and I've spent all the "toxic" energy I want arguing with half you because you just hear what you want to hear and fit the stereotype I loathe I think you only commented out of trained reflex and a few of you are just unsophisticated haters. Whatever, fuck you, and all that jazz.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Like it or not, you're a superpower.

What you do, and how you do it matters to the rest of the planet.

We have no choice but to watch, and what we see isn't encouraging.

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also, everyone loves underdog. The inverse is true. No one likes updog.

[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 19 points 1 year ago

What's updog?

[–] neatchee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
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[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 year ago (9 children)

A single country when it's convenient, 50+ semi independent governments when it comes time to deal with criticism?

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[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

There is a trail of corruption, poverty, death and destruction everywhere America gets involved in the world. This country loves war and profits from it. Social reforms are in reverse gear at the federal level. Your healthcare is shite and no one can afford to buy a house. The gap between rich and poor has grown exponentially with the richest paying the least tax. This is a country run by mendacious and violent con men for idiots. Not only do you have a gigantic and corrupt military industrial complex, you also have a prison industrial complex, with more prisoners than any other industrialised nation. America sucks ass bro.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Except the one government at the top is the one that interacts with every other nation on the planet and is usually the one making policies and taking actions that piss everyone else. And like it or not, these policies and actions are decided by the congress and the president, which everyone in the U.S. is responsible for electing the people there. And when you look at that federal governmnt, well let me tell ya that it doesn't reflect very well on Americans.

No, it reflects just fine. We’re just fucking awful.

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you want to go on foreign policy, sure. The federal government is usually the lead. However, there are a lot of things handled at the state and local level that Europeans love to extrapolate to all the USA when it doesn't go that far.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Outside of Vermont, New York, Colorado and California, there really aren't a lot of places in the US that seem normal to the rest of the world. And if you go at the county level, it gets worse it seems.

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[–] Mitchie151@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I can appreciate that some states are better than others, in a similar manner to being able to appreciate that some EU countries are better than others. I've visited the USA and so I've seen first hand the good and the bad.

It doesn't change the fact that globally, you are represented by your federal government and not your local state ones. As an Australian I might expect a foreigner to know our Prime Minister but never a state premier.

From overseas we just see a lot of the insane shit. Politically, the whole world is interested your federal elections because that is what has a chance to affect us. I don't care who the governor of a state is really because they aren't going to be able to declare some insane war or fuck over or save entire countries.

Even when we see state x legalizes y or outlaws z it just blurs together from out here. Much easier to see your own state doing good things when you're inside it.

And yeah, USA doesn't get enough credit for craft beer!

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

The US is really like the EU both in scale and differences between individual states. National laws are generally just high level and very broad, with the laws most people directly interact with being state, county, city, and other local levels.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The US is really like the EU both in scale and differences between individual states

Bwahahahahhaha! No.

Americans always love to think this is true, but it's nowhere remotely true. The US has an actual federal government. The EU does not, all EU members are sovereign states.

Secondly, difference between individual states? Rofl-fucking-mao.

No your slight change in accent (not in dialect), and slightly different local delicacies are nowhere near comparable to Europe.

The US has a few hundred years of history and most come from the same dozen or less groups from Europe.

The difference between just the top of my country and the bottom of my country is larger than aany state differences in the US. Well, except for, idk, state laws. But language, customs, cuisine. The modern European states have formed all from several distinct groups. The modern nation-state only started being a thing a bit more than a century ago.

All modern European states are made up hundreds and hundreds of previous, hundreds of years old groups.

No offense, but the comparison is pretty ridiculous on most levels.

The EU isn't a federation. (Yet.)

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[–] Nougat@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As usual, the answer is "It's more complicated than that."

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I'm sure the masses on social media with their 7 second attention spans and endless propaganda will get to the bottom of it.

[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thiught you guys are united or something. It's in the name

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[–] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 7 points 1 year ago

I hate that the US made this post. They suck for doing that

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes I am having a bad day.

I hope your day improves our the next day is better.

I also hope your governments improve or the next are better, but frankly all your governments suck.

[–] TheControlled@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It did, thanks.

But how could you possibly know that? Could you even name all the states and why they suck or is that just... A little, you know... Feeling? A feeling imparted by too much news and Reddit and YouTube?

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what news I read.

From outside the USA, what news I get is biased and more sensationalist than it should be for it be fair coverage.

For example, I get zero news about Vermont, Minnesota, I get lots of news about Texas, Florida, Alabama, etc.

My assumption is that the states I don't get any news about suck in exactly the same way my governments sucks... In ways that are unlikely to have serious global, or extra-judicial impact.

The USA is the single most important country in the world. No other country has as greater impact on the rest of the world (except maybe China, in select industrial or economic areas).

I care about what happens in the US, I care about its people, I care about how the US influences how other counties behave. I have no way to influence that though. I'm on the other side of the world.

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

To sum up, nobody likes being generalized.

And, apparently, when Americans say we don't like being generalized, literally everyone else will take offense, and then generalize us.

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No they simply come from the rest of the world where it doesnt really matter how u do what u do just that you do it.

This is an extrodinarilly american centered view of the world and failes to see the bigger picture that your fucked up system is just one piece in a bigger pie of global society.

You all fly the same flag its on you for being incapable of self organising. You might not think it but texas says just as much about u as a californian as california says about u. The rest of the world treats america as a monolith because to us from the outside thats all that really matters to us.

[–] djsoren19@yiffit.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay but this massively discounts the fact that Texas and California might as well be two separate countries. You're doing the equivalent of equating Spain and Poland because they're both in the EU. Would you really expect Spanish citizens to self-organise and protest due to Poland's abortion ban? Would a Spaniard ever expect that protest to be effective?

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

But the europe is working on adding abortion to European Convention on Human Rights. Ie europe as a whole is self organising to effect such things as a whole. The people in spain can protest for that and expect some level of success. It would seem that europe as a whole can better self organise and take responsibility for their misguided members than the USA can of its states.

I think the way u see it is a coping mechanism so you dont have to take any responsibility for any of the bad shit that goes on in other states. You personally should feel responsible and guilty of the shit that your countries extremists are doing in government not just give up and put it in the not my state not my problem basket. Go to the friggin capital and protest to the federal government dont wash your hands of the mess and shift blame.

Hell the trumpians stormed the godamn capital to protest what they beleived in. You and your beleifs have simply given up and called it an issue with other states. You live in a godamn democracy you dont like how things are change them you as an individual have the "god given right" to complain to protest to run friggin propaganda campaigns to shout at every street corner go change the world dont just sit in ur cushy little state and blame other people for your countries failures.

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[–] Kroxx@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Damn near everyone commenting is missing the point

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is this poster’s argument feigning ignorance of distinction between local vs. federal laws?

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