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This person does not speak for the entire uncommitted movement. Many people participating will not be voting for Biden come November. And more importantly they won't be participating in any GotV campaigns for the general. There won't be any "heroic" GotV campaigns that carried Biden in 2020. I won't call it for Trump yet. He might not have any juice left in him either. But its going to be close.

If Biden wants my vote he can show he has the strength to twist Bibi's arm. The longer he takes the harder he better twist. His October surprise better be a No Fly Zone over Palestine, '67 borders. Obviously, he won't. But if we can pretend he will I can pretend I'll vote for him. Asking thousands of activists to not just vote for genocide but actively campaign for it is more futile than harassing Biden.

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[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For me to vote Biden he'd have to catch up and pay me the $80,000 in stimulus checks he owes me. Oh, he'd also have to:

  • Give Puerto Ricans the right to vote
  • Legalize weed
  • Forgive all student debt
  • Move American troops out of Taiwan, the Baltic states, Germany, Poland, Jordan, Iraq, Somalia, South Korea, Japan, etc etc etc
  • Launch a full scale invasion of Israel to liberate Palestine
  • Summarily execute every legislator that has voted to criminalize trans people's existence

So, IDK, he better get cooking soon if he wants my vote.

[–] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No mention of landlords, lib detected

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Landlords will be left to face the Revolutionary Tenants' Army's justice.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

~~Give Puerto Ricans the right to vote~~

"Free Puerto Rico" is much better.

Otherwise good list, but, yeah, no way I'm voting for Biden and a pig. I didn't the first time and I'm sure as hell not doing it the second time.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah absolutely, I just meant that it's literally impossible for me to vote otherwise lol

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Oh, for sure. I was agreeing with you!

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Free Puerto Rico" is much better.

puertorican self-determination is the best. one of the problems is that there are three main choices: independent nation-state, 51st state, and status quo.

the political system is american enough that the votes on this topic have been between two options rather than some kind of ranked choice and have at various times been deliberately delegitimized by low turnout.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thing is, independence has been systematically delegitimized as a valid option after years of censorship and state repression of pro-independence Puerto Ricans. Conducting a referendum in the island (especially if it doesn't include diaspora Puerto Ricans) to determine how everyone feels about sovereignty or statehood is a bit like if you asked Americans to vote on how they feel about FALGSC vs. free market capitalism.

That's not to diminish the importance of self determination, obviously at some point it's important that we actually choose what to do, but I just see quite a bit of idealistic posturing from well meaning leftists that don't know mainland Puerto Ricans and how much red scare-like propaganda has been ingrained here against independence. If you bring up independence in conversation with most median age voters, they'll say we'll end up like Cuba or Venezuela, that we'll all starve without our benevolent overlords, etc etc.

Another factor is that the option has just never actually been offered to us in earnest. No politician has ever honestly expected the referendums conducted recently to result in anything but statehood, and the first referendum was obviously expected to result in an overwhelming choice for the free associated state (it was conducted during a period where pro-independence organizers were rounded up and shot). What would even have to change for the issue to be brought up in good faith? The situation would already have to be reaching balkanization (i.e. Cool Zone) levels in the US for an earnest, honest-to-God choice to be offered to Puerto Rico to self determine. Some berniecrat actually wins the presidency and gives us the choice? We'd likely just get rolled back in the next term when mecha-Hitler is elected. It's just a very abstract situation to even picture, and I can't visualize a situation where Puerto Ricans would choose to federate as a state with a crumbling nation. If anything, what's more realistic is the US conducting a forceful annexation through some kind of judicial coup (which they already have set up a body of unelected overseers with the PROMESA act) if there's widespread unrest.

[–] Weedian@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I won't be voting uncommitted in the general election. I'm voting for Afroman

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

niko-dunk niko-dance

Sponsored showboating YES!

[–] RION@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My #1 trick for negotiations is to announce from the get go that I will agree to whatever terms the other party wants

[–] blight@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

They’re not even thinking in terms of negotiations, competition, or much less, conflict. It’s all about “raising awareness”, and loyalty to your team even when they’re doing poorly.

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

i guess it makes sense that blue team voters don't understand how negotiating works because no blue team politicians seem to know anything about anchoring or how to make an opening offer.

[–] asg101@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have not voted for either faction of the corporate party for 50 years, won't start now.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

lea-resigned Fine I'll commit myself to vote .... greensicko-laser Jill Stein in the general...in Michigan...AGAIN michael-laugh

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'll vote Biden if he shoots Netanyahu on live television.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

On the street on Fifth avenue

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The Dems know that if their base vote for them while supporting a genocide then there is nothing they can do to make them not vote for them

Also link to the post

Lol there is people saying the uncommited movement is a GOP plot

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Ur Fascism Point #7: Obsession with a Plot

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I used to work on a contract for a certain manager who, multiple times, admitted that Israel is committing genocide despite being any annoying centrist. Despite that, he still plans on voting for Biden lol.

Writing that makes me remember a story. We had a meeting at noon. Some of my coworkers were Muslim. After it finished, the manager asked us if we wanted anything from Starbucks cause he was grabbing lunch. One of the guys said “no, I’m never buying from them again.” The manager seemed confused and asked why, and he replied “they support Israel.” I chimed in and said “they’re enabling genocide.” The manager gives me the puzzled face and says “well I’m still going to buy Starbucks.” Nobody said anything, and so the manager continued, “I mean, what am I supposed to do? Not buy it? What else am I supposed to drink? Like I’m sorry Israel is doing that but what am I supposed to do?” We didn’t say anything after either lol

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Making my own coffee? In this economy?

[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

People are willing to pay a lot to not watch themselves fill 3/4 the cup with sugar and cream before adding the coffee

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Do you live somewhere where literally no where else sells coffee? Or does he really need his double white chocolate caramel mocha?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Afaik the DNC said in open court that they're a private club and they can and will choose their candidate if the primaries pick the wrong candidate.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You vote for Biden, you are genocide supporters giving a political mandate to a genocider. Simple as.

The only moral position is to not give genociders a mandate.

[–] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago
[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The intent is to send a message. The message is "we will vote for you no matter what, so no need to make any policy changes sir."

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

"The further right we move, the more of our base we alienate. Clearly this means we should move further right."

[–] SnowySkyes@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

They can mald all they want. I'm voting Jill Stein because it'll be hilarious if she were to get a substantial portion of the vote in a swing state. You couldn't pay me to vote for Genocide Joe so I'm just going to use my vote to piss off people.

[–] boog@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Yeah I'm gonna have to parrot Felix here. I'm only going to vote for Biden if the Knesset is a smoking ruin and every member there is executed for war crimes on livestream in front of the entire world.

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Remember kids

Akaza Akari will personally use the forbidden Bun Bazooka against any who dare use her likeness to excuse or promote voting for a racist genocidal bastard

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

If Biden continues the way he does most of the uncommitted voters arent going to vote at all.

[–] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago
[–] Ideology@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

The "sending a message" narrative was one of the narratives used to explain ancaptain 's popularity in early elections too.

[–] IMF_DOOM@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also even saying this got them called a fascist tankie in the comments because they can't bear the thought of anyone even slightly disrespecting genocide Joe in any context that matters outside of snarky memes

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Punnet square: axis #1, do you think Israel is committing genocide in Gaza? axis #2, do you think Trump will literal end democracy in America?

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[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

chaser.zone, never change

[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol liberals fantasize about childish violence and insults and sometimes they mature to fantasies of political violence. But they’ll never commit to it unless it involves a drone strike in a trailer. They can’t be bothered to celebrate the deaths of genocidal maniacs and they think they can muster the will to physically kick anyone

[–] Ildsaye@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

They just don't count violence against the poor as political

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I live in a vital swing state and I will make it a point to vote uncommitted in the general, I've already convinced other family members to do it too

Eat shit libs

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

We just got our electoral maps ungerrymandered. I'd like to see if we could get some basic socdems like Michigan. But I think the dems are going to blow it.

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As always I'll vote in local elections, but I'm gonna write in "uncommitted" for all of the state and national races. It's a little joke just for me.

His October surprise better be a No Fly Zone over Palestine, '67 borders

At this point the only thing that would sway me to Genocide Joe would be the Marines invading Tel Aviv and doing to Israel's fascist military what Russia did to Ukraine's, then lining up every single Netanyahu official and West Bank settler against a wall.

[–] Taster_Of_Treats@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

"I'm one of the good ones" she said to the genocidal tyrant.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People are really gonna bother taking time to go outside to a place and stand in line to vote that they aren't voting? Just stay home, eat cheetos and masturbate.

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why give up all leverage before the general election even starts? Why start negotiations from a place of complete weakness? Even if you are planning to vote for Biden, you don't say that or admit that now! There needs to be a real threat of not voting for Biden in the general election so that concessions can be granted in exchange for your vote for Biden in the general election. That is how politics generally work. If there is no threat, why would Biden ever make concessions? He knows that he has your vote already, there is no incentive for him, or pressure on him to do so. There needs to be some actual actual pressure.

How are radlibs this bad at politics?

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[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Man libs are pretty dumb huh?

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