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we dunk on libs and cons so much we sometimes forget centrists are worse. they are so. much. worse.

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[–] kleeon@hexbear.net 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

liberals think civil wars are fought over simple ideological disagreements

[–] axont@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

liberals think Nazis were simply having a particularly aggressive argument

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The battle of Stalingrad was just an especially busy stall in the marketplace of ideas.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

"Yeah Stalin was SUPPRESSING the FREEDOM of the Nazis to exterminate Slavs and enact Lebensraum! maybe-later-honey "

[–] Ideology@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago

California "leftists" are libs and texas conservatives are libs so I guess that scans. People in this thread forget that liberalism and conservatism ARE just ideological arguments about how to run a bourgeois state and have absolutely nothing to do with a proletarian state.

That said, it's really stupid from a mapbrain perspective because the two states would be economic competitors separated by desert increasingly unable to support human infrastructure.

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

"I don't know literally anything about politics or ideology or even basic geography, commerce, and military logistics" -- Alex Garland explaining any aspect of his stupid movie

[–] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This movie is going to be so unintentionally funny. I'm just imagining all of the incredibly smooth brain things that the reporter main character might say that will cause libs to nod sagely and conservatives to declare the movie woke propaganda.

[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

God’s Not Dead applied to economics

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago
[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean centrists are liberals who are conservatives. American liberals are all about preserving the status quo with incremental change. Sounds pretty conservative to me. American conservatives are more reactionaries because they want to regress society to an era they’re nostalgic over.

[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He’s not wrong. Liberalism and fascism are two sides of the same coin that synergize to protect the capital order.

The left and right in this case is of course relative to the American perspective.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

This is what I thought the California - Texas alliance was supposed to represent. A proposal that fascists and neoliberals ultimately have the same worldview, they just differ in terms of aesthetics and in spicy times they'd merge together. Now I realize that despite that Garland wrote Dredd and Ex machina, he's just another goofy Hollywood centrist

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

All the depth of a puddle of piss.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I knew this guy's movie was gonna be dogshit the second the trailer brought up the "California and Texas" alliance

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

I would also question any possibility of a California and Texas Alliance, were it not brokered and achieved by "The American Mandela", Sir Joe Rogan in 2031 during the first hours of the Battle of Chicken Nuggets during the Treat Wars.

[–] ihaveibs@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It could be an interesting choice to highlight the class unity of the bourgeoisie and that Texas' and California's economic power is far more important than superficial American politics.... but we know it won't be lol

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

This guy probably hangs out in Austin and LA and was like “wow we are all the same “ not realizing he is just upper class

[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love that this blockbuster movie exists and yet we're still supposed to pretend that it's Russian disinformatski that is driving political polarization in the US

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

We are Putin and Hamas in one obama-sad

[–] beef_curds@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Politics are just ways to get votes, they aren't tied to material realities.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

oh this movie is going to be fucking delicious. all you can eat brainworms cafe

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

They're doing Horseshoe Theory but for slightly progressive liberals and bog-standard Republicans

[–] AbbysMuscles@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I was huffing a lot of cope about this movie for awhile. Garland directed my all-time favorite movie, Annihilation. I was hoping this one would be better than the marketing team was letting on. Maybe something about the US' extraordinary violence being brought back to the homeland, especially with the PoV of a journalist. Fuck.

[–] spacecadet@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Annihilation is based off a good book by Jeff vandermeer though, it seems Civil War is originally written by Garland

[–] AbbysMuscles@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Oh for sure, but it's so wildly different in content (while perfectly preserving tone) that I was really impressed by how Garland adapted it. I was hoping some of that skill would transfer to this movie, but I guess he's too trapped in the hegemonic ideology :/

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

It can still be that, just unintentionally.

[–] ihaveibs@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Same lol. I would watch it if it had something as a strange and abstract as the ending of Annihilation

[–] Sleve_McDichael@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Have you read the books that Annihilation is based on? They’re very good if you haven’t

[–] AbbysMuscles@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

I have, and I agree that they're pretty great. Due for a re-read, now that I think about it

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

the book makes the movie look like a damn pile of puke

[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Centrists, in the center of fascism

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

I really wish I could eternal sunshine of the spotless mind out the internet

[–] dead@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago
[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Are they allies becauss they both have Wall Street listed energy monopolies whose willful negligence burned towns to the ground and all the politicians are too bribed to do fuck all about it?

I've already seen some articles claiming its a "masterpiece" and as much as I enjoy Garlund, this is going to be a fuckin turd on a stick

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

If the two sides resolve their differences and cease to be "good" and "bad" in the kayfabe all the political energy of "good" will escape to the only alternatives waiting in the wings. Anarchism mostly, because US political brainworms making it an easier pill for the average american to swallow as a result of red scare propaganda.

Let them do centrism. See how it works out for them all.

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Actually, he is right - but of course speaking from a lib's perspective. He sees those two factions of the bourgeois state and decries that they're fighting - after all, they should not and have the state run efficiently in whatever it is doing right now.

Left and Right for the most part also seek to maintain the state as is right now - not abolish it in favor of a proletarian one. Internationalism, socialism, etc., both the state and him do not want that and would fight if the working class organized in that direction. He wants the two sides of liberalism to come together into one, as a nationalistic whole (and indeed, if push comes to shove and the current partisan conflict in the US escalates, he probably will pick the stronger side, favor the one he views as more likely to keep the bourgeois state alive, and repress the other one for being traitors etc.). As usual, the seed of fascism being already present in liberal worldviews.

Smart, but of course not to the advantage of the communist movement.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

This is going to be even dumber than those anti-vax christian films that came out during the pandemic

[–] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

US of KKK

susie-nudge GOOD SHIT