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Trump isn’t an icon of positive masculinity. He also did very little for young men during his four years as president

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[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 80 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Trump did very little for anyone. Unless you’re rich.

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even then it's not like it was intentional. He only did it for himself, it's just that other rich people also coincidentally benefited.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Yeah Trump is very simple - he punishes anyone who doesn't actively support him and rewards anyone who does. Anything he does for anybody is simply to show others that if you're good to Trump, he'll throw you a bone too.

He spends so much time performing for his base to ensure he has enough political power for that system to work. Once his base gets bored of him he'll be nothing.

[–] kofe@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I knew guys running their own businesses that benefitted from the 2017 tax breaks. Unfortunately, the dumb fucks didn't notice those were temporary from the outset and staged to revert back after the next presidential election. And those tax breaks directly give Republicans the excuse to say "we don't have money for all these social programs."

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[–] mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 64 points 9 months ago
[–] Kroxx@lemm.ee 41 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Every gen Z kid I know is having an issue trying to pick a pro-Palestine candidate. They seem to dislike Biden more than Harris, but I have never heard of trump support. I'm sure some amount of gen Z are trumpers but they are a minority, saying young male voters are "flocking" to trump is pretty silly. "There are literally dozens of us!"

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 61 points 9 months ago (8 children)

You should educate them on the dangers of single-issue voting. Pro-life has kept the Republican Party afloat for decades.

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[–] psvrh@lemmy.ca 55 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I hate to say this, but you're probably living in a bit of a bubble. I know I was.

A lot of men, across all age ranges, tend to lean fascist. There's a lot of reasons for this, but the core problem is that progressive neoliberalism does a terrible job speaking to cis-het male anxieties, while fascism welcomes them with open arms.

It's all bullshit, of course, but at least they're being heard.

Progressive politicians really need to let the 1990s go. Third-way triangulation worked great then, but it's ineffective now.

[–] nforminvasion@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (3 children)

This exactly. The destruction of third spaces under Reagan was either a genius move to radicalize lonely, isolated Americans or a hell of a coincidence that ended up helping the right.

I say it could be a coincidence because idk if Reagan's administration was looking quite that far ahead but... They were crafty and very intelligent people.

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[–] finder585@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

progressive neoliberalism does a terrible job speaking to cis-het male anxieties

Terrible is a bit of an understatement. Men complain about bleak social and economic prospects only to be meet with insults that go right to the metaphorical jugular of every mans ego.

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[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

I don't think Trump has the interest of literally any of his voters at heart. He's only interested in helping himself and he legally can't even vote for himself.

Edit: TIL Trump can still vote.

Florida (Trump's home state) Law:

a felony conviction in another state makes a person ineligible to vote in Florida only if the conviction would make the person ineligible to vote in the state where the person was convicted.

New York (State of felony convictions) Law:

a person convicted of a felony is disenfranchised only while incarcerated for that felony.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/can-trump-vote-now-he-has-felony-convictions

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[–] Rayspekt@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah people are too uneducated to vote what is actually good for them, but that is unfortunately by design nowadays.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's not just the uneducated. There are many young men who want women to become property because they're too goony to find one.

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[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 31 points 9 months ago (8 children)

The article completely missed the core reason for young men to vote for Trump. It's ending DEI initiatives.

That's a single issue for some of my conservative friends. The D's will never get their vote.

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago (2 children)

A spectacular victory for the billionaire class that your friends are focused on the one black kid who gets a leg up and not the legions of white kids who got ahead through their parents' donations and legacy admissions.

LBJ once said: "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." Clearly, 60 years on, it's still true.

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[–] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

In the UK the Conservative party decided to get rid of DEI initiatives in education. When?

When the minority specifically recommended to be targeted for support became poor/working class white boys.

Conservatives will go out of their way to harm the working class because as long as things are going badly for them they'll be angry enough to vote for the ones with dog whistles pretending it's someone else's fault.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I guess they are just going to have to accept that diversity equity and inclusion are a part of our lives now, and that they don’t get to make decisions about who is included, and that diverse opinions really are valuable, and that we are going to continue spending our public resources to ensure we all have equitable opportunity.

I guess what I mean is, too bad for your conservative friends?

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[–] rodbiren@midwest.social 27 points 9 months ago (4 children)

My take is that they vote for him because he is angry. These young men are largely angry and have had media of all sorts telling them that they should be. They don't want someone telling them how they will boost the middle class and have equitable tax. They want someone who says they will burn every problem to the ground and break things. They want someone screaming at someone to blame.

Why we have a huge chunk of young men desperatly angry is a choose your own adventure of societal issues where we have provided almost no healthy outlet for healthy aggression or the physicality that comes with being a young man. Everyone is free to come up with their own reasons, but for me it is the lack of outlet or the feeling of societial participation for young men.

Whatever the reason, a culture who sweeps the problems of frustrated young men under the rug for long enough I feel will live to regret it.

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 24 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Right-wing incels, hot off their carnivore diet, roids, and worship of Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson wondering why women flee from them and yet continue to double-down on the likes of worshiping shitheads like Trump and Andrew Tate.

It's the exploitation of the ignorant and vulnerable; naturally, right-wing puppeteers are telling them it's everyone else who is the problem.

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[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think a lot of it is because there's so many more well-funded right-wing influencers/grifters than genuine liberal or left-wing influencers. It's much more profitable to take advantage of young men's anxieties and insecurities (to sell fungus pills, get-rich-quick plans, or whatever), than to genuinely discuss things from a liberal or especially left-wing perspective.

[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

Its a cliche but they also promise easy answers to hard questions, blame others for problems they caused themselves or at least did nothing to get out of. The old tell 'em what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear.

[–] Jagothaciv@kbin.earth 22 points 9 months ago

Don’t forget the E-girls, Trump is also aiming for the E-girls since the loser Gooner boys who are basically privileged Republikids oogle over them constantly.

Losers all of them but they got voting power.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He isn't even masculine. Like not even close.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 13 points 9 months ago

yeah im like. positive maculinity? I mean im positive that is not masculinity.

[–] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Is their interest racism? Because he's got that covered.

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[–] Dramaking37@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

This seems like the education gap rather than a gender gap. Women have been going to college in greater numbers for a couple of decades.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

He does have an interest in young girls at heart though... Just like his good friend Jeff Epstein, “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy, He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

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[–] Floating_head@lemmy.ca 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] ZMoney@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

He's the most masculine. Many have said that he is the most masculine, ever. He has some friends that also consider themselves to be the most masculine, but secretly they all agree that he is in fact the most masculine, ever.

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[–] DeanFogg@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Scared little boys need a daddy

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 13 points 9 months ago

And somebody to hate. It's so ugly how young men easily come together to hate a person or group. It gives them a sense of togetherness and 'not it' at the same time.

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