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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 205 points 5 months ago (3 children)

There’s (mostly) nothing wrong with the technology. It’s the enshittification and profit motive behind nearly everything that’s the real problem.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 5 months ago (3 children)

How do you separate the two? To me smartphones seem like the sort of thing that was always headed in a bad direction. It's inherently a tracking device. Touchscreens are easy to use and intuitive but really slow and inefficient for most things that go beyond browsing/viewing content. It pushes you to get all your software from a centralized walled garden. If it weren't for smartphones, the people who mostly only use smartphones probably wouldn't be spending a lot of time on the internet, and that would be for the best.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

If it weren't for smartphones, the people who mostly only use smartphones probably wouldn't be spending a lot of time on the internet, and that would be for the best.

Exactly. Eternal September was peanuts compared to smartphone connectivity.

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[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I think that having the convenience of an easy-to-use, always-online device in your pocket at all times is inherently addicive. The profit motive just compounds this issue on purpose to extract wealth, but it is more of a symptom of a larger issue.

Humans, nor any other animal on this planet have ever existed in an era that they can be always connected to everyone in their species at all times; even having that ability at all is revolutionary and unprecidented.

It used to be that the only people you talk to would be people in your local area, but now a significant portion of the percentage of people that an average person is likely to encounter on a daily basis is via means where their real character is hidden behind a carefully curated mask.

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[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 63 points 5 months ago (19 children)

I'm prepared for the downvotes knowing where I'm posting.

If you hate it that much, why are you using it? It's a tool. It's useful. It also allows you to overindulge, but that says more about you than the tool.

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 83 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

A lot of those are problems caused by phones regardless of whether one uses one themselves.

But for the personal ones, there are self aware addicts of all kinds. Smokers know cigarettes are killing them, complain about them, sometimes even hate them but can't stop.

Edit: pair o words

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's a fair and well measured response. It begs the question of what we can do as individuals, and when it comes to smart phones I don't think there's much.

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[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yet, you engage with society. Curious.

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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 31 points 5 months ago

For someone sharing OP's opinion, simply "not using it" wouldn't solve anything. Most of the problems OP lists is stems from that people in general use them.

I'm not saying you should agree with OP, but your argument misses the point.

[–] zloubida@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago

Smartphones are using me more than I use them. I hate them, and love them, and hate that I love them.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

As someone who carries around a flip phone on purpose, it’s not impossible to live without a smartphone, but it’s getting more challenging.

Ticketmaster now requires a smartphone. You can’t print tickets. Which means I can no longer go to baseball games.

So far, that’s the only thing I’ve found that’s a hard block, but many other things are certainly not designed for the phone impaired.

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[–] Bonsoir@lemmy.ca 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't have one, I'm browsing from my computer. I still go through all the inconveniences listed above and some more. Checkmate, smartphone user.

[–] deikoepfiges_dreirad@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 months ago

the guy exclusively lists cultural phenomena. how would not using a phone personaly solve any of these?

"It's just a tool" is such an ignorant statement in general. The tools we use have been shaping or culture for thousands of years. There is no choice not to take part in the current state of humanity. "It's just a tool" is what people who want to sell you their technology tell you to make you forget about the effects it can have on a bigger scale.

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[–] clarinet_estimator@lemm.ee 55 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (24 children)

The problem isn't smartphones, it's capitalism.

All of those things would have happened anyway in a different form factor because capitalism is just a race to the bottom.

Except maybe UI design. That has been special in its enshittification.

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[–] phx@lemmy.ca 55 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ruined photography?

Professionals or hobbyists can still use a proper camera but the old maxim "sometimes the best camera is the one you have with you" often applies and cellphones do fairly well in that regard

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[–] angelmountain@feddit.nl 39 points 5 months ago (10 children)

You don't hate smartphones; you hate capitalism.

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[–] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Calling out cops on their bullshit, troublshooting your pc when you bork the ethernet, sending photos of your feces to your friends to name a few

[–] Hule@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

Usable flashlight!

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Maps/gps navigation and being able to talk to someone across the world for free (provided you have an internet connection). Genz and younger millennials don’t know how expensive long-distance calls were back then.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I can watch porn on the go?

[–] coherent_domain 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] bob_lemon@feddit.org 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

> ruined masturbating to complete strangers on a bus

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

does a smartphone force you to only masturbate to people you know?

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[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

GPS, music, and I disagree about the camera. I’d love a dumb phone that could do GPS music and a camera and nothing else besides text and calls.

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[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yeah definitely the smartphone is why I still don’t have a girlfriend yup yup

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

GPS and calendar.

[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 21 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Ruined pointless but enjoyable arguments with mates in the pub. In the old days you could get a good 15 minutes of entertainment out of 'Was it Matt Damon or Mark Wahlberg in that Three Kings movie?'

Now some asshat with a phone will kill that argument in 5 seconds.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Apparently parents love it as it keeps the kids quiet and relieves them of the stress of parenting.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I like having maps and gps with me

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[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 5 months ago

Before modern smartphones existed, I dreamed that they would one day exist and we could use computers and the Internet whereever we are, not just from home/work/school.

There are bad things about them too, but overall I would not want to do without them.

[–] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (6 children)
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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I honestly hate smartphones as well, not because of any of what OP posted. On my PC, I can install whatever I want, including swapping out the OS. Most smartphones are locked down, and the few that allow alternative ROMs have huge incompatibilities w/ FOSS OSes (i.e. getting SMS to work is a bit spotty).

My phone runs GrapheneOS. I would much rather use something else (e.g. PostmarketOS), but it's the least bad option that supports all the features I need. I am still limited to Android-compatible apps, and developing for my phone is a lot more painful than any other ARM-based device because I'm stuck w/ the Android ecosystem.

The end result is that I don't feel like I truly own my phone, whereas I definitely feel that way about my PC. Yeah, my phone is convenient, and I don't use most of the nonsense Anon is complaining about (I mostly use websites on my phone instead of apps), but I still generally dislike having a thing in my pocket that I don't actually control.

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[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, none of that is the phone's fault. That is like blaming fast food for being a fat ass.

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[–] dumbass@leminal.space 12 points 5 months ago (6 children)

People either have forgotten or didn't live in the time before smart phones, but the world was fucking boring as, you HAD to talk to someone because you were so fucking bored, that's why we discovered shit, we were bored and had to do something, then turtle neck man gave us smartphones.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

The smartphone didn't ruin those things. Capitalism did.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 12 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Ruined cell phone keyboards

Ruined cell phone batteries

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Take away anon's phone for a day and see how he likes it.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)
[–] Aggravationstation@feddit.uk 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Smartphones. This Christmas, take a short break from using a device to masturbate and use it to talk to your extended family." Yea that's not something I considered would happen with tech when I was younger.

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[–] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Ruined these things for you maybe. I still enjoy them. And don't use my phone for most. One of the things I live about the phone is being able to communicate with my friends and family I want. I also enjoy having the majority of the worlds information available to me. Ooooo and music. Soooo much music at my fingertips.

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Add in ruined music to that. Shitty speakers, super lossy codecs to preserve cellular bandwidth, even shittier Bluetooth compression, listening to music on a phone is convenient but it sounds like shit. And we've got generations of people who think that's what music is supposed to sound like.

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[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Damn good summary. Even more BS than I complain about on a weekly basis.

(written from my smartphone when I should be sleeping)

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