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[–] Shard@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago (3 children)

We're angry about unbridled end-stage capitalism

Just like with everything in life, there's a right amount of something and its not zero. Properly regulated free market is probably the best economic system we've come up with. I challenge you to come up with a better system.

Its the fact that we've voted in greedy leaders and have such lax rules about lobbying and open bribery that's allowed so much shit to happen.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago

Greedy people vote for greedy leaders. Money mattered more than morals in at least the last federal elections since 2000.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

This might be a better system.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 27 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"There was a famine in China, which means we now only can have the most extreme forms of capitalism!" - 70% of the propaganda.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"It's either fully privatised Healthcare or it's Stalinism"

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[–] gravityowl@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago

You can tell by some of these comments

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The only real problem I have with capitalism is the people that refuse to consider any other way of operating, refuse to rein it in, or immediately make it a binary choice between capitalism and “scary” communism.

Economic systems don’t need to be corralled into boxes and never be allowed cross lines. The people forcing that take are the ones profiting from the status quo, by power and/or wealth.

Any of the systems can be combined, the problem is fight against greed that makes people bend the system to funnel power money to a specific group. Whether it be the dictator and his cronies or a bunch of oligarchs. If this cannot be prevented, then no system will work without eventually crushing the average person.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (12 children)

No....not everyone hates capitalism. Everyone hates uncontrolled capitalism.

Socialism isn't some magical bandaid that will make everything better. It has a shit ton of it's own problems and downfalls...nearly all of which are conveniently glossed over by leftists.

[–] buttfarts@lemy.lol 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I hate that people are shit and will ruin any economic/political system no matter how high-minded it may have otherwise been.

Similarly capitalism wouldn't be a burning pile of diapers and old wigs if those involved didn't have a complete and total disregard-bordering-on-antipathy for humanity and the common good.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Socialism invariably fails and ends ups corrupted into some shithole authoritarianism decorated with leftie-sounding slogans. It is however meant to do the greatest good for the greatest number, it's just that in practice in the real world it's crap at it so it doesn't work because of human nature.

Capitalism doesn't even try to do the greatest good for the greatest number - it's quite literally The Sociopath's Credo: "do what's best for yourself and screw what's good for everybody else"

Ultimately they both fail at making most people's lives better, but Capitalism doesn't even try.

The best we've achieved has been Capitalism narrowly applied to just Trade and overseen by some other separate political theory that actually tries in some way to go towards the greatest good for the greatest number, such as Social Democracy, but as we've been seeing right now in realtime, with enough time Capitalism ultimately grounds down such bounds and oversight and corrupts everything.

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[–] atro_city@fedia.io 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Socialism and capitalism have a lot of overlap. This belief and meme that they are completely separate is incredibly simple-minded and indicative of US thinking patterns. US Americans have had it beaten into their heads that there are only two sides for so long that it permeates their very being.

To have a fair system, components of multiple philosophies and systems will have to be mixed. Treating capitalism as all bad is plain dumb.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

"Everything is fucked.... how can this be?!"

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Socialism won't keep dragons from hoarding their gold. You would just be taken advantage of for the same thing, your labor, through a different channel.

[–] Brahvim@lemmy.kde.social 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

As an Indian guy, I-
Yes...

[–] gravityowl@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Which channel specifically are you referring to?

Your comment smells of "enlightened cantrist trying to sound reasonable (but failing at it)"

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[–] 5714@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

Well, sometimes events pushed into motion or accelerated by a "root cause" develop lives of their own. Without concerted effort neither with capitalism nor with the absence/alternative of/to capitalism will we solve climate change or patriarchy.

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Here’s an idea from WAAAAY out there, but what if they both suck? Because it’s just bad logic to assume that one is good because the other is bad.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

We have no choice but to compare imperfect systems and pick something.

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