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    [–] merci3@lemmy.world 137 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Canonical deserves most of the critics they get.

    Ubuntu users on the other hand don't deserve even the slight amount of critic they get for just.. Using Ubuntu. like, at least they use Linux, we should be encouraging them to keep using it.

    [–] lengau@midwest.social 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I have my own criticism of Canonical, but most of what I hear from the anti-Ubuntu crowd isn't even grounded in reality.

    My favourite one recently was that upstart was Canonical NIHing systemd.

    [–] sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)
    [–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago

    Not Invented Here. Basically, reinventing the wheel just so they can have full control of a project.

    [–] petey@aussie.zone 5 points 4 months ago

    Not Invented Here-ing? lol

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    [–] Cenzorrll@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Didn't upstart show up in jaunty jackalope? I don't recall systemd being all that big back then. Also, jaunty booted in 30s to desktop on a 4200rpm spinning rust IDE drive, Intel m processor. In my book they succeeded there but yeah, the attitude they have about contributing to current projects is bullshit.

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    [–] ptz@dubvee.org 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah, I don't get the hate and intentional division being sowed there.

    I'm not a fan of Ubuntu since they went all Thanos Snap (the final straw was replacing deb packages in apt with snap stubs), but I can applaud that they're using Linux.

    Just seems like low effort, pointless gatekeeping to me.

    [–] Kroxx@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I never understood the hate but today I did read a comment saying Canonical (the company that develops Ubuntu) had injected some amazon telemetry into one of the search functionalities, that and using Snap is what makes some people shit on it. I didn't verify the telemetry thing FYI.

    I can definitely understand people being upset at telemetry injections.

    The above is to say I don't think it's exclusively people gate keeping, dome people have legitimate issues with it.I haven't seen people shit on mint a lot and it's an easy distro. Honestly most people are super supportive of mint. That being said there is definitely some amount of gatekeeping.

    [–] superkret@feddit.org 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    That was the point where I stopped using it.

    They included a global search function which in a default installation sent your search terms to Amazon and returned search results from them.
    It also sent them to a web search (with real time results while you typed, including image previews). So it was possible to get shown NSFW images accidentally inside your OS, without opening a browser.
    It was just really bad design, and a heavy-handed attempt of monetizing their OS.

    Of course that could all be removed with a bash one-liner, but it showed where Canonical was headed,

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    [–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Ubutu sucks really bad. I installed it checks notes 17 years ago and I didn't even get internet running out of the box. Fedora 41 is just so much better and I can't see how anyone can argue with that.

    [–] lengau@midwest.social 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Yes, Fedora 41 is undoubtedly better than a 17 year old version of Ubuntu.

    [–] sharpratchet@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago

    I believe that was the joke

    [–] SitD@lemy.lol 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    i started with Ubuntu. i think it's fair to respect the distro that works towards getting any rando started

    [–] Allero@lemmy.today 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Stock Ubuntu is not the only and possibly not the most sane choice for newbies. An uncomfortably different UI with relatively complicated customization, a lot of catches, myriad of package sources, and little progress in general usability make it only preferable in terms of binaries selection and amount of accumulated knowledge specifically on Ubuntu.

    Linux Mint is the most sane pick for an average newbie, though mileage will vary and other distros can be better entry points for some. For example, what clicked with me against all warnings was Manjaro, and if not for that, I could still be sitting on Windows today.

    Nowadays, I use Fedora KDE Spin, though if a sane Arch-based alternative arises (think Manjaro done right), I would consider going back.

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    [–] Aelis@lemm.ee 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I get the annoyance around tribalism/elitism, some people in other posts pointed out the fact that silly dramas and bad/dumb linux takes scares out new users but tbh I feel more confortable with a vocal community, even a silly one. Feels healthier and more alive to me than a mute and apathetic one.

    If something goes wrong, if something displeases someone we will hear about it, people will get angry, at the worst we get a nice entertainment to watch and a good laugh, at the very best it leads us to some nice changes.

    It's something I grew to like about Linux, even the silliness of it all, even how you can't really tell if people are dead serious or not about the stupidest things.

    [–] pulverizedcoccyx@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Amen brother. I'm really hoping a lot of these gotchas get ironed out in some way as more people start choosing Linux over windows. I would be really happy to see some smoother experiences in the coming year or years. Don't get me wrong, things are a bajillion times better than ten years ago, but there's still a ways to go yet.

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    [–] mlg@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Yeah no it does suck it made me think the Linux experience was at least 3x worse before I tried another distro.

    And not just a DE thing, every part of the distro feels like it was slapped on without actually thinking of the consequences.

    • netplan
    • apt
    • default systemd dependencies
    • ubuntu GNOME
    • snap
    • ubuntu pro
    • cloudinit conf

    You can find forums and docs from as old as Fedora 11 that's still relevant yet Ubuntu utterly fails to keep consistency across a single version update because they changed something that's only mentioned in the changelog.

    Every downstream of Ubuntu is essentially focused on removing all the BS the upstream has so you can use your computer without something breaking like it's ~~Arch~~ an overused meme about Arch.

    There is no right answer to the correct distro, only a wrong answer, and that is Ubuntu because practically anything else including its downstreams like LM are better for you as a user.

    [–] semperverus@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    without something breaking like its arch

    I have had seven full-system failures across the last two decades using Ubuntu that could not easily be troubleshooted and fixed.

    I have had exactly zero with Arch.

    Take that as you will.

    [–] mlg@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)
    [–] Aelis@lemm.ee 7 points 4 months ago

    Β«an overused meme about ArchΒ» was a very nice edit I must say xD

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    [–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    there's just no reason to start using it when mint exists

    [–] skooma_king@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago (7 children)
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    [–] lengau@midwest.social 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Configuring Kubuntu for my liking is way easier than configuring mint for my liking, and some of that mint configuration is going out of the way to undo things the mint maintainers did intentionally.

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    [–] noodles@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    My experience with Ubuntu was filled with bugs and i hated snaps, suggested it to a friend and installed it for him and he kept getting errors and bugs everywhere for some reason, he had the impression that linux is a buggy mess. I'm not suggesting ubuntu to a new user ever again, fedora is the way to go, i just wished they had nvidia drivers in their repos it would have made it easier for new users

    [–] trslim@pawb.social 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I use Kubuntu. No complaints here. Im also not super well versed in linux and my husband installed it for me so that I had something that was well supported for gaming and streaming/vtubing.

    (I dont remember what he uses, he switches it weekly)

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    [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Everything I don't like is Reddit

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    [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

    I like Ubuntu, use it as my main laptop os, and main server's os for a production system that's been upgraded through 3 LTS versions without issue. Three.

    I don't think windows can do that, at all.

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    [–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    ubuntu is an excellent base, but there's no reason to use it over other distros based on it. it does nothing better than others and forces snaps on you to the point of not even having flatpak installed by default unlike almost every other distro that is even remotely modern.

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    [–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I got my parents' computer on KDE neon, with "brand new Plasma 5" years ago when Win 7 was going out of support, it had been solid as a rock and relatively problem-free over the years. Ubuntu 18.04 LTS was out of date for over a year, and Netflix stopped working, so I bought a new drive, upgraded from 4GB to 16GB RAM and clean installed KDE Neon with Plasma 6!

    This is a 12 year old Toshiba Satellite laptop that is still going strong. (As an email, websurfing and video watching machine).

    [–] CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    for me it's snaps and the release model that suck. Also, apparently, arch-based distros are more noob-friendly, thanks to ArchWiki

    [–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    arch-based distros are more noob-friendly

    I'll take some of whatever you are smoking. And I am typing this on an Arch Linux system.
    Sure, I love that I have a high degree of control; but, if I were planning to ask a new user to install Linux, I would not be handing them Arch. The Install Page may look nice; but, it's a minefield of "oh go chose something" and you come back three hours later having read way too much detail about bootloaders.

    Arch is fantastic for choice, but the KISS principal is not available via pacman. It may be available in AUR. So, go learn what AUR is, spend way too long picking an AUR package manager only to learn it's not available their either and you need to build it from source.

    Joking aside, I do need to try the SteamOS install. That might actually be a noob-friendly Arch distro.

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    [–] theluckyone@discuss.online 9 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I've used Gentoo on my main desktop for decades.

    Anything else in the house gets Kubuntu on it, 'cause ain't nobody got time for that.

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    [–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    I don't care what some distro snob thinks.. I use ubuntu and have few problems. I replace the snaps and move on. I've been using Linux longer than most of them have been alive. They can pretend that makes me behind the times but somehow I always seem to be ahead of them. Having made my stance clear.

    I don't care what distro they use. Why would I?

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    [–] exu@feditown.com 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I don't use Ubuntu personally, but it was great to automate for deployment in a corporate setting.
    Yes, Debian has some agnostic unattended install, but writing basically cloud-init is just so much better.

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    [–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I use (K?)Ubuntu (I installed KDE on Ubuntu so now it thinks it's Kubuntu? Weird) and I don't get the hate. I worked with raspberry pis and such on Linux for a bit so when I got a new computer, I decided to main Linux on desktop as well, since I felt confident enough in it and I went with Ubuntu as I felt it was an obvious choice.

    I heard of Linux Mint, but I hate mints and didn't want to live with a distro named after them.

    Only regret is that I didn't fresh install Kubuntu as I have some gnome ghouls left behind, but eh, if I really wanted to I think I can get rid of them. Just don't want to risk deleting other preinstalled stuff.

    [–] Allero@lemmy.today 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Ubuntu works just fine, the problematic part about it is how it shoves its proprietary app store down everyone's throats, which is very much against Linux ethos, both in terms of proprietary software and user freedom.

    If you don't mind that and are comfortable with Ubuntu in other ways, hooray, you've just found your distro.

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    [–] teft@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

    All operating system elitism is stupid. Just use what you like and are comfortable using. I grew up on Linux and mostly use Mac nowadays.

    It's even sillier to make fun of someone for the distro they use.

    When you're a boring person and the only thing you have to be snobby about is your operating system I'm not sure that says anything good about you.

    [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    How can it suck the least if it has snap?

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    [–] 30p87@feddit.org 5 points 4 months ago

    You clearly didn't try then!

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