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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

Posting Guidelines

All posts should follow this basic structure:

  1. Which mods/admins were being Power Tripping Bastards?
  2. What sanction did they impose (e.g. community ban, instance ban, removed comment)?
  3. Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don’t de-obfuscate mod names).
  4. Provide a screenshot and explanation of the cause of the sanction (e.g. the post/comment that was removed, or got you banned).
  5. Explain why you think its unfair and how you would like the situation to be remedied.

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Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.

Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.

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Lemmy.ml and its moderation, am I getting something wrong? (lemmy.world)
submitted 5 months ago by peregus@lemmy.world to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Yesterday I was reading the post about the FUTO keyboard where there were a lot of messages deleted by moderators.
I've commented there

What the heck happened with all the messages deleted by moderator?

And it got deleted. Right now you can only see 4, but I've counted 19 messages moderated and the post has been locked. Why?
I've had a look ad the modlog and the messages don't seems to violate any policy (now they've removed them in the modlog too).

I'm pinging here lemmy.ml admin and the mods of the open source community where the post was posted so they can have their say about it and clarify the situation to me.
@kevincox@lemmy.ml @CrypticCoffee@lemmy.ml @Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml @Cloak@lemmy.ml @davel@lemmy.ml @dessalines@lemmy.ml @nutomic@lemmy.ml @JoeBidet@lemmy.ml @cypherpunks@lemmy.ml

If I'm getting something wrong, please let me know, I'm here to discus and understand if I'm getting something wrong or if something went wrong in the moderation. Thanks!

Down here you can see the deleted comments.

P.s. I'm writing here because I think that this post on lemmy.ml wouldn't last long.

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[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

Well, your first mistake is posting something in .ml. Your second mistake is asking a question that the admins don’t want to answer.

There are seemingly no mods in .ml. It’s just two authoritarian admins that are butthurt about everything.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

.ml has long been known to remove dissenting voices of any kind (Ironic because they always accuse .world and other instances like .ee of becoming echo chambers), especially voices that rightfully criticize their favored authoritarian governments such as China or Russia. Usually though those are removed under their catchall "RULE1 bigotry"

It's a little weird to remove software related comments for being off topic when they're clearly not, but this is a by-product of that moderation culture the Tankie Admins and Mods (Yes the main dev Nutomic (and transphobe, see stickied post in !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works ) and major mods like dess are full bore tankies) pushed.

Oh, and don't bother tagging any .ml users, .ml hates their rank-and-file members from seeing the dissent against .ml so has blocked !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works and I believe this comm as well on their instance. They'll also site-ban individuals that dare talk against them, even when that talk is exclusively on other instances.

PS, generally the people who say "They never have any issues" are Tankies themselves or at least align with that mindset enough that they can go for a while without a negative interaction.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 16 points 5 months ago

(Ironic because they always accuse .world and other instances like .ee of becoming echo chambers)

I had someone from lemmy.ml tell me "I’m happy that you libs have your own instances!", and apparently mean it sincerely. In their mind, maybe, the 4,530 active users on lemmy.ml+lemmygrad+Hexbear are "Lemmy," and the 39,721 other users are on "their own instances."

Not that being in the majority means you're right. But if you're in the minority, and you don't know it, that's often a warning sign.

[–] peregus@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I didn't know, I'm mainly active on lemmy.world. How can that instance have so much traction?

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I believe it was the original instance, it’s maintained by the devs, and the description on join-Lemmy.org is extremely misleading and does not make its extremist politics clear at all.

So it had a lot of momentum early on, and the largest coms for many topics were hosted there. However, they definitely seem to be declining in influence over time as many users have opted to avoid the instance altogether and seek alternative communities elsewhere. That’s what I would recommend doing.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

First movers advantage, .ml is the first and "flagship" instance, the rest of the Tankie Triad (Hexbear and grad) followed closely after, though .world has defed from those because they were not as subtle on their "viewpoints" as .ml tries to be to avoid getting defed'd from, so you probably haven't even heard of those.

.ml also used to be the default instance on the join-lemmy website which is also run by Nutomic, but recently they changed the recommendation algo so that it would no longer recommend instances with >30% of the user base Lemmy-wide to include .ml and .world.

The hope is that someday .world will finish what it started and defed from the last remaining on the Tankie Triad, but until then the best recommendation is just not interact with it at all. No posts or comments or upvotes. If you want to take a more active roll, if you do see an actual good post on a .ml comm, crosspost it to the nearest non-.ml comm

[–] peregus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The hope is that someday .world will finish what it started and defed from the last remaining on the Tankie Triad,

Well, maybe another instance. The more populated instance, the better. Federation is here to avoid centralization, no?

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yea, but many of the other instances already do, in fact now that I think about it ~~I think DB0 (this instance) defed's from the complete Tankie Triad~~ nvm they don't

.world defed'ing them as the goal is that way because .world is like double the size of the next largest instance, so it will help the rest of the Lemmy-verse look more like the tankies are "Just a fringe group running their own servers" rather than being the Lemmy-verse (of that make sense)

As far as making .world too centralized in general, I do also advise if you're going to be posting more, the best thing for the overall health of Lemmy is to try to pick non-.world comms to post to even if they're a little slower in traffic. So like !science@mander.xyz instead of !science@lemmy.world

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

DB0 (this instance) defed’s from the complete Tankie Triad

Dbzer0 only defederates grad: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 6 points 5 months ago

To be fair hexbear defed from db0 for a while, which would give the same impression.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How disappointing lol

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nah. I like that dbzer0 only defeds from the one instance. Being an anarchist instance, telling me not to look at posts from somewhere else wouldn't make a lot of sense.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

If that's the instance philosophy, then why grad? Hexbear and grad aren't equal, but they're pretty damn close

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 months ago

Some .ml communities still don't have an alternative

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Futo is not open source but it is good and free option for people

I generally don't support comment removal but people arguing that it is open source is bad faith behavior so I won't shit on ML mods action here.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Apropos of nothing, I take issue with calling stuff that isn't open source "free" (even little-f "free," let alone "Free Software"). Even if it costs $0 it isn't "free" if it costs you your freedom or privacy.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 5 months ago

Futo is 100% off line

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

lemmy.ml mods cannot be trusted to not censor people. Don't post there. Put them on your ban list so you don't see any of their stuff by mistake.

[–] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com -2 points 5 months ago (4 children)

seems bizarre to me. I've had no issue on .ml. Is this an instance issue or a com issue?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 19 points 5 months ago

I’ve had no issue on .ml

Wat

Lemmy.ml is explicitly affirming of the idea that the moderators determine what is the "right" opinion and remove all the wrong opinions. Ask them about Tienanmen Square or the Uyghurs. It's a little unusual that it goes outside of the realm of geopolitics and into the realm of software projects, but it's completely in keeping with their overall philosophy about what the right way is to run an instance.

The person who is removing posts is, I believe, not a moderator of that community, they're an admin. So complaining to the admins is unlikely to get you anywhere.

"Don't go to lemmy.ml" is my advice. There are replacement communities for almost everything that's available there, for exactly this specific reason.

[–] peregus@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

I don't know, it's the first time that I see such a behavior.

[–] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

Personally, I have never had any issues either, although I have seen many people who have. People looking for an international decentralized community will have no problem with .ml, as with all other existing instances. Those looking for a reddit clone will have their own good reasons to detest .ml.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 3 points 5 months ago

You’ve never had an ML issue? I… don’t believe you. Even when you’re not talking politics, their constant attempt to ruin your mood is pretty annoying.

Are any of them able to have a full conversation without making unfounded personal attacks? I’ve never had that experience.

I’d probably be all-in for communism if it weren’t for them.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Rare ml w

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

can you explain? appreciate the insight...