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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 115 points 3 months ago (3 children)

congress has been abnormally silent. just a fucking ghost town.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 80 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Democrats have announced that they're going to make a statement at 3:45pm EST today or something. Our government is actively in the middle of a coup, and they're "going to make a statement."

I'm sure it'll be some finger wagging, and that's about it.

[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh, that's not all they'll do. There will also be some strongly worded letters.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Like I commented above, I’m a Canadian the American left telling democrats to eat shit this election and immediately expecting them to save you is delusional

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[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 months ago

They are actively managing their insider trading before it all goes tits up.

Suddenly the democrats are supposed to save you? Y’all told them to eat shit, they are just gonna enjoy their money and take a 4 year vacation and let the American voters and the left that didn’t vote, enjoy the ride they got on.

[–] belastend@slrpnk.net 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If more people voted, this would not happen right now :) but both sides the same and voting doesnt matter.

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 28 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Acting as if fascists did not nearly successfully couped the last time they lost the election is so much denial.

The people that voted last time got a goverment that could not stop a convicted felon, certified rapist, enemy goverment asset and obvious fascist from running again. They would not have been able to stop a fast nor a slow coup.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You're right.

Why slow down the coup when you can just give up and let them announce a concentration camp for undesirable immigrants without any pushback?

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

Step 1: should have voted to stop the coup Step 2: should have voted for a slow coup Step 3: should have voted for a less fascist coup

We recreate the structures we seek to dismantle...

Don't @ me I voted but the Democratic playbook has been to cede ground and take only clout back my whole life.

Like corporations and consumers the fault isn't with the voter when the system is stacked against them and the options are two evils with one the lesser.

[–] punkisundead@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

No what I mean is that everyone who want to stop facism should stop relying on groups and organisations that have a record of being ineffective when it comes to opposing and stopping the fascists.

Check out !inperson@slrpnk.net, !antifa@lemmy.ml and other Lemmy communities to find out about ways to oppose fascism without relying on the DNC.

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[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 3 months ago

Literally the outcome of this election was guaranteed back in August. The second the Harris/Walz started polling at 50/50 was when a contested election became the best possible outcome, and a contested election was always going to be awarded to Trump through the captured Supreme Court.

I get that libs are disappointed that the country just gave him the keys without a fight, but Trump was prepared for that fight. It's why they kept shouting that our election was a sham and already decided; they knew they would steal the election if necessary. Dems were never going to do anything to stop it, same as they did nothing for Gore vs Bush.

[–] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 months ago

Their loss wasn't nearly so catastrophic as to make it clear they're in the minority. The issue with democratic legitimacy is that it's mostly about impression of consensus rather than pure numbers because humans suck at processing numbers. Sure, neither government might have the actual endorsement of the constituency, but it doesn't matter if the voting portion of it is split closely enough that it seems like they do.

If, say, the Reps hat lost 30:70, they possibly wouldn't have been quite so bold, and on the other hand, the Dem leadership might have felt more confident in opposing them. Moreover, reducing Rep significance to a footnote could create space for progressive movements to be more than a spoiler, which could give them more weight in the internal party politics.

Note, however, the abundance of "could" and "possibly" and "might". The difficulty with counter-factuals is that you can't really compare them to facts. It's just as possible that nothing would have been different at all. Much of predicting politics and public opinion is guesswork based on incomplete information, and putting it to a representative test would probably be impossible and possibly dangerous.

As it stands, you're unfortunately right.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 18 points 3 months ago (70 children)

But the people who stayed home because the democrats didn't offer them a pony are noble and should be regarded with the utmost respect!

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[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We all know what the objectively most ethically and morally righteous course of action would be right now.

We also know that if we DID that, the fascists will kill us, our entire families, anyone we associate with, and then use it as an excuse to murder even more innocent people who have never had anything to do with us.

The right is just ITCHING for a Reichstag Fire Moment which they can point at and say

"OPE, look at that TERRORISM happening right over there! You know what that means: Time to OFFICIALLY (not just casually!) suspend civil liberties and call in the private security shock troops and drone strikes to put down these VIOLENT ANTI-AMERICAN ENEMY COMBATANT DOMESTIC TERRORISTS!!! And for all their sympathizers, time to punch some tickets for the GITMO EXPRESS!"

I thought it would happen by mid-march but now i'm concerned it might happen even SOONER.

look. the law has failed. the law will not protect us. the law will actively attack us and label us as "criminals" for defending ourselves while turning a blind eye to our fascist aggressors. I don't know what anyone else should do, but here's what I'm doing:

  • I have a small emergency fund saved up stashed in cash at a secure location.
  • I have my identifying documents in order in case I get the 'papers please' treatment.
  • I have survival supplies in my bug-out go-bag that i carry on my person everywhere i go
  • I have data backups, peripherals, and all my digital devices that I can't live without packed
  • I'm HOPING I still have time to legally (for whatever that's worth now) arm myself.
  • I'm maintaining the outward appearance of a cis het white dude so I can navigate mostly unnoticed.
  • I'm attempting to locate and join an underground railroad as a conductor to help targeted people evacuate via providing transportation, shelter, nutrition, paperwork assistance, communications advocacy, and possibly even the covering of some costs provided the entire financial system doesn't collapse.
  • Failing that I'm reaching out to friends across the country to set up a means to locate and offer aid to at-risk individuals directly.
  • I'm also asking international friends about their countries' immigration policies, to see if I can get in touch with advocates within other borders to streamline the process for people who want to escape this backwater shithole of a country.

Gods know I won't be able to escape...
but the possibility that I might be able to help others,
and reminding myself that I can't help anyone if i'm dead,
is the single biggest thing (among a fair few others) keeping me going.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ye, seeing a legit the Reichstag Fire moment would be terrifying. And the USA wasn't above that shit even 50 years ago.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

well, keep in mind, it doesn't even have to be legitimate.

It can be extremely illegitimate >_>

in fact, I am kind of expecting it to be an illegitimate, manufactured, sensationalized false flag spectacle that exists solely to provide them with an excuse to accelerate.

unless those are the factors that define a "legitimate reichstag" x_x;

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

well, keep in mind, it doesn’t even have to be legitimate.

Remember the Maine.

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I used 'legit' in the colloquial sense, as in "actual"

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

ok yeah that tracks ._. either way, i would be more surprised if one didn't happen at this point.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Here in the EU I'm having trouble keeping up, what are talking about here?

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Elon Musk is actively taking over various government agencies and installing his own sycophants into them. 18 year old kids are now in charge of the 6 trillion dollars that the government spends annually and were appointed to that position directly from their internships at SpaceX or Tesla. But at least they were camp counselor the year before!

Medical and scientific research is being scrubbed for any mentions of gender (and probably sexuality as well) and COVID while the CDC has been gagged and told they can't report data on ANY active diseases - including the current bird flu that may or may not be turning into another pandemic.

The tariffs are going to cripple the economy on basically all fronts. I heard somebody claim that US auto makers have said that they'll have to stop production after a week because nobody can afford to make cars with those prices.

Trump released thousands of gallons, if not hundreds of thousands, of water from a lake reservoir in California, flooding farmers' fields and almost flooding over levies "because it will help with the fires in LA" despite them being hundreds of miles away, which will hurt the farmers this summer as they won't be able to use that water to keep their crops alive, which will further add to food supply issues and hurt California's economy - which will hurt the rest of the nation by extension because their economy is one of the largest contributors to tax revenue in the country.

The list goes on and on.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Ok so I actually knew all of those aside from the water thing. For a second I thought he'd done something even more outrageous.

Well, the week has just begun anyway.

[–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That was just the stuff off the top of my head from over the weekend. As you say, the week yet young; there's plenty of time for new horrors to be born.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago

And just like the horrors of last week, these too will be supplanted by next week's horrors and forgotten, because there's just too fucking much going on to keep track

I had actually hoped this wouldn't be as bad as we feared after seeing their rank incompetence still on display, but it turns out it's even worse than that

[–] Shirasho@lemmings.world 12 points 3 months ago

I would argue it is the non-voters in this position.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago

I don’t know why people didn’t riot when Republicans denied Obama a supreme court nomination because of it being his last year but allowed Trump to nominate one weeks before the elections.

[–] SVcross@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

They already own the supreme court.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 6 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Actually, it's only like this because people didn't vote. Soap, ballot, jury, ammo: they say to use the boxes in this order...

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

The supreme court was killed off years ago. All we got now is a payola brigade set up to legalize only for the highest bidders

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