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[–] Schorsch@feddit.org 92 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"your" ebooks. – You never owned them in the first place. And if buying isn't owning, questionably acquired ebooks aren't stolen.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Check if it’s available on your library website first, for the sake of the author.

[–] TheMinions@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean authors don’t see money anytime someone rents an ebook do they? Libraries just need to pay for licenses to the publisher annually from what I’ve read on reddit/Lemmy.

I can understand renting ebooks so that your library continues to fund a digital library, but if the book is available in paper form that doesn’t really benefit the author either.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Authors receive 25% of the ebook sale to a library in the US. Frequent lends will also influence future purchases made by the library.

https://janefriedman.com/what-do-authors-earn-from-digital-lending-at-libraries/

Libraries in Canada and the UK pay royalties for each lend.

https://societyofauthors.org/where-we-stand/public-lending-right-plr/

[–] TunaLobster@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

It's not a great deal for the libraries. They ebooks can come with a limited number of checkouts and cost far more.

I switched to Kobo and have been very happy so far. I was able to download my books from Amazon and mumble and then I was able to read them on my Kobo device and store them in my Calibre library.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even after years and years of this being discussed, it shocks me how many people keep dropping money into services which force them to own nothing.

Convenience is a helluva drug.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It depends, sometimes you can "buy" digital ownership from these places in the form of DRM-free files. If you are able to download the DRM-free file and make a reliable backup of it, then I could call that actual ownership. This is how I approach my music and ebook libraries. I don't do subscriptions for streaming anything but TV.

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I wonder if this is a response to someone jailbreaking all kindles ever the other day

Fuck kindles, get a different brand of ereader that just runs stripped android

[–] IonAddis@lemmy.world 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Some have speculated it's complying in advance with stealth editing of books to remove whatever content has been decided to be censored. If you can't download the original copy and keep it, they can change the one you have and make it seem like the original text never existed.

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 11 points 3 months ago

George Orwell's 1984 becomes more of a reality every day.

[–] mac@lemm.ee 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Lol, my girlfriend just had all of her sideloaded books removed from her kindle today. She just opened her kindle and they were gone

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

One more reason not to buy ebooks from Amazon.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

I’m glad I started my Amazon boycott earlier. I could’ve lost a lot more e-books.

[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Here's my purely capitalistic problem with Amazon:

A decade+ ago, I realized that major brands were using the site as their outlet store. I'd buy a pack of socks, and they'd be hideously deformed. I'd buy a few pants for work, one pair would be too small, one too large, and one would fit just right. I'm not fucking Goldilocks.

The final straw for me was when my coffee maker broke. I ordered a new one via same day shipping, which at the time had a minimum order of something like $50. The coffee maker did not cost quite enough, so I added something random to the order so that my same day shipping would be free. Ultimately, the coffee maker arrived late (i.e. not the same day) and the decanter was broken.

When I contacted Amazon about the issue, the agent said they could reship, but they wouldn't send it same day so for that specific item it was going to take 3 - 5 days to arrive. They also tried to hassle me with a straight up return, telling me I had to take it to a UPS store, which at the time was 30+ minutes away.

Ultimately, I pulled a Karen and told them to cancel my Amazon Prime, which they did. Only problem is, I was 2 or 3 months into the year long subscription and assumed I'd get a pro-rated refund. I did not. When I got back in touch with customer service, they told me that Amazon adds up the value of the "free" shipping I received, the rental value of the movies and shows I watched on Prime, and the value of all the other services included with Prime and if that total exceeds the remaining value of the Prime subscription, then no refund.

They basically stole almost a year of Prime from me with no recourse.

Scum company. I got a lot of hate for saying this back in those days. But at least now, a decade+ later, people are finally starting to wake up. Not everyone, obviously. But at least I don't get hateful responses and DMs quite as much as I used to.

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[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

I was able to export (you'll have to remove DRM via plugin) all of my Kindle ebooks into epub using "Method 2a" of this guide:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361503

It's can be a massive pain with some metadata issues, but at least it works.

I've been meaning to do this for years, but have always been too lazy.

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[–] Macaroni_ninja@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

I think with applications, like Calibre its relatively painless to save the whole library, if someone is ready to jump ship. Now its the perfect time.

I personally use a Kobo without the online features, which is fantastic, but there are many great Kindle alternatives without the corporate spyware bullshit.

[–] Brewchin@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Calibre (Kindle) and Libation (Audible) are essential backup tools.

Y'know, in case their servers are down...

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[–] MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

🤣🤣🤣🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️🏴‍☠️

[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

I borrow them from my library through the Libby and Hoopla apps. If I want to support the author, I’ll buy a copy through some other means. Directly from them, if possible.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Very happy I got a PocketBook instead of the store locked alternatives

[–] techforwhat@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm planning on buying a pocketbook soon!!! I've been trying to get a sense of what the PocketBook interface is like on the device but haven't found anything online. You don't have a picture of the home / library page do you? Also, can you disable discover / suggestions on the PocketBook?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The UI is super simple, it's based on Linux so it's much closer to using a tablet computer, you access your books via folders

Default UI

Library is a file Explorer

UI without recommendations (I never bothered turning it off because I'm never on the front page)

[–] techforwhat@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago

Thank you so much for posting pics! It looks great.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 7 points 3 months ago

No it isn't 🐭

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As someone who likes to have a fallback way of purchasing digital content that I can remove DRM from, this annoys me.

I can still purchase mp3 and flac files from various online retailers, and I can rip bluray for my movies and tv shows, but now I need a new place to purchase ebooks that are downloadable. Anyone have any recommendations? The first few independent retailers i've found seem to require their own apps.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Good luck accessing my ebooks.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Get them out of Amazon:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=361503

It works, I just exported alk my ebooks into epub earlier today.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago

I have hundreds of books in my kindle. But 0 on Amazon.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

First, you will need DeDRM v10.0.9 beta/RC or the alpha release. This will work on many (but not all) Kindle ebooks. (Some Kindle books come with extra-strength encryption that these tools cannot handle, etc.) If you have questions about installing, setting up, or using DeDRM, ask on GitHub.

"many but not all" hm.

[–] grimer@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I had some issues at first then decided to actually RTFM and once i entered my kindle serial number into the plugin, worked perfectly.

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[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)
[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Welcome to capitalism 101.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because in the kindle store you're not purchasing the book but a license to the book.

[–] dukethorion@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That doesn't change the argument.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Legality has never been morality. Slavery was legal, still technically is.

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Sounds to me like Amazon is reducing the value proposition of their product. For me, additional roadblocks to being able to enjoy something they way I want when I have paid for it reduces the value of the product itself.

For example, if a DRM free book in an standards compatible format costs $20, then the DRM version I can still download for offline viewing is worth $10. The DRM version I can't download is now worth more like $1-$5 depending on how badly I would want to read it while still supporting the author.

And yes, ebooks from the major sellers aren't worth much to me and I rarely rent (because you're not really buying) them.

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Buy elsewhere, or simple look up epubs and mail them to kindle

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Where do others buy epubs? (Besides the library) In many cases my obscure authors only use Amazon.

[–] feannag@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago

I've used Kobo and Ebooks.com, and import into my Calibre library. I know some authors have a way to purchase directly on their site.

[–] techforwhat@lemmy.today 3 points 3 months ago

I also use Kobo. It's really easy to download on Kobo (then remove DRM if that's your vibe).

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I pulled down the eight Kindle books I actually bought, about half of the books in my Kindle library are public domain, stuff like old Sherlock Holmes novels, some FAA handbooks, etc.

Next I guess is Audible. Over the years Audible has offered a lot of free trials with a complimentary audiobook several times, and I've amassed a bit of a collection. Including the edition of The Martian narrated by R.C. Bray you can't get anymore. Those I'd like in mp3 format if I can get it.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

GetLibation.com to download and convert your Audible library

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