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[–] Pyotr@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have been waiting for something like this from framework for ages now, super pumped to order one.

Specs are a bit disappointing, so here's hoping it gets a bit beefier cpu option in the future

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)

the model clearly was designed around to cut coat corners and imo, meant to partially replace their chromebook line. using the older 13th gen cpu, ontop of having features like a kensington lock makes it sound like its the cheap option for school leasing.

[–] Pyotr@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I dont need much in a laptop, it would be replacing my Lenovo x220t thats really starting to show its age now. So even a 13th gen is a vast improvement, I was just hoping for a more efficient chip for battery life, or a higher performing one so it'll last as long as possible, since I try to keep hardware for as long as possible

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[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 months ago

makes it sound like its the cheap option for school leasing

that's exactly the target.

They also have the option of locking the expension cards from inside the case, so kids don't take them out and potenially lose them

[–] simple@lemm.ee 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If they can make a decent 2-in-1 in the $500 range, it would be massive. It doesn't really need great specs, the major issue with these laptops are build quality and battery life.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I really doubt they will.

The thing to note about Framework laptops is the "starting price" is literally just the system board, the screen, standard American keyboard, and the laptop body. You have to add your own RAM, SSD, all the expansion cards, a charger, and a Windows license (if you don't use Linux). There's a reason why the starting cost for a Ryzen 13 is $750 and a "pre-configured" system is $1100.

Sure they'll save some money from using a plastic body instead of an aluminum one, but that's not the bulk of the cost, assuming they're still committed to using the same system board form factor as the 13 & 16. I'd consider it a win if they get a fully configured 12 for sub-$800.

Also Trump's tariffs have to be factored in for US buyers.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 4 months ago

Also Trump's tariffs have to be factored in for US buyers.

Oh yeah I forgot about tariffs. I was converting US prices into local currency and then went on the website and was confused by why they were charging so much less than a direct currency conversion would suggest.

[–] Evrala@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They're also using an older cpu in these and only one stick of ram to run costs down. It is a low tier 13th gen intel.

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[–] mtchristo@lemm.ee 22 points 4 months ago

Tech enthusiasts don't understand what budget hardware means.

[–] Dil@is.hardlywork.ing 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Thats actually solid, id have bought this over my current tablet if its around 500$ No good convertible touch screen options below 1k. You can maybe put linux on a tablet with a keyboard case but thats pretty jank compared to this.

Nits could be higher, prob fine for indoor use tho, any lower than 400 max is rough in bright environments.

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 3 points 4 months ago

Bought a second hand surface pro 8 and put fedore on it. It is very good.

[–] sundrei@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I do like 2-in-1 laptops, but I've had a pretty rough experience using them with Linux. Automatic screen rotation, deactivating the physical keyboard in tablet mode, summoning/dismissing the on-screen keyboard have all been pretty challenging in various distros I've tried. Looking forward to reviews of this -- I'm hopeful these sorts of things won't be a problem with non-proprietary hardware!

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Framework laptops are built with the intention of Linux being a first-class citizen. They work directly with distro maintainers to ensure compatibility. There's even a Framework-specific image for Bazzite.

[–] bluGill@fedia.io 7 points 4 months ago

Even if they are problems, odds are we will have enough information that someone will fix the drivers (meaning we can fix them), and the other code bugs will be fixed.

If you want to help buy a few and spread to your favorite desktop environment developers. I'm sure KDE e.v. can put you in touch with some student who writes code and would love to get a laptop this nice. (I'm a kde guy so they come to mind first, but I'm sure Gnome or the others can as well)

[–] Excigma@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

I've had an Acer Spin 5 and Dell Latitude 7440 2-in-1, and with regards to autorotation and keyboard disabling, it has just worked out of the box for me on every distro I've used (apart from Arch which needed an extra package for rotation). The keyboard disabling also works in BIOS on both laptops, so perhaps it is done at a firmware level for these laptops. Some of my friends have trouble with the keyboard on their HP 2-in-1s.

Summoning the OSK is okay on GNOME, you just need to swipe up from the bottom of the screen, but the experience with the keyboard automatically popping up is worse on Wayland :(. Generally my experience has been the opposite of yours though, it has been quite good!

Hopefully the framework will drive more attention to this area though, the OSK is a particular pain point I think, Windows 10/11 does a great job here.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago

Framework isn’t sharing any idea of pricing today, beyond that it will be “lower cost” compared to the Framework Laptop 13, which typically starts at around $750 for a DIY model with previous-gen chips or $1,100 for a prebuilt with the latest ones.

I really hope they can get the price low. I briefly looked at Framework in the fall, but I couldn't justify the price.

[–] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I would love to have a color epaper display option on a machine like this.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Epaper refresh rates are utter shit, it’s a cool idea but not practical except for in bespoke devices like the remarkable

[–] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 4 months ago

Having such niche features available as modules is a big part of the value proposition Framework provides.

[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 months ago

It would be very useful to people who don't consume multimedia, especially writers and certain types of hobbyists and office workers.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Touchscreen, budget? I suspect we have different ideas of what a budget machine is. Doubt I will be buying but best of luck to them anyway.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Several manufacturers make budget laptops with touchscreens. For what reason? People are fucking dumb. My gf sadly has one of those. A shitty intel i3 laptop with a touchscreen. Completely hardware malnourished but hey you got a touchscreen.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What is wrong with an i3? As long as you are paying i3 prices there is nothing wrong with that.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nothing really. It's just that you could probably get an i5 withput touchscreen for the same price.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Well it depends on the price of the laptop. My partner has ryzen 3 and touchscreen although she didn't care for it having touchscreen. Mostly because it was reduced by a huge amount though, its regular price would not have been worth it.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't think she got it discounted. I just dislike touchscreens on lower spec machines exactly because they reduce the actual value of the device as it tends tp then have worse internals to accomodate the touchscreen and thus is less likely to last longer.

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 14 points 4 months ago

That's great but can you ship to some more countries or stop actively blocking freight forwarding 😑

[–] fakeman_pretendname@feddit.uk 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Please just give us physical mouse buttons as an option.

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

And a TrackPoint.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Great news! The first criteria I always look for in laptop is touchscreen, small size, light weight. Once you get used to being able to use a touchscreen for some things on a laptop, it's hard to go backwards to not having one.

[–] Benjaben@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Feel like saying more? I have a touchscreen laptop and have never built such a habit. Being honest I have trouble imagining how moving my hands off the trackpad and keys can feel efficient. What kinda stuff feels better?

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

Any kind of dialog box, image zooming, moving a text cursor a long distance. It's small stuff, but I find myself bopping the screen with my finger like a dummy when I use other laptops. I worked more with tablets before a switched to laptops so that's where I probably picked it up, but I really find the touch screen efficient.

[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Same. Have a laptop with a touch screen for many years now and recently just disabled the feature because I never use it. There were like 3 occasions that I did and thought to myself "maybe for this it's useful".

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 months ago

If it costs under $700 I would consider it :3

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Cool! Maybe I'll pick it up if it doesn't suck with Linux.

Next, make one with a nipple and mouse buttons and I'll buy another. My Thinkpad is getting old.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I hope they release a keyboard with a nipple, preferably blank so I can add a dvorak layout to it

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I had a blank keyboard at one point at work, it was fine until my brain completely forgot about all the letters were, I couldn't remember for like 10 minutes.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'd buy that so fast it would make their head spin.

And yeah, Dvorak users unite!!

[–] themadcodger@kbin.earth 3 points 4 months ago

There are dozens of us!

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

if it doesn't suck with linux.

It supports Ubuntu and Fedora.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Honestly, I hate touchscreen laptops and two-in-one devices. I wonder if I can just turn off the touch capability of this display.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I like the fact that you can use it as a drawing tablet. But I've never understood why anyone would want to touch screen laptop. Microsoft has already proven people don't want that, get companies still make them.

[–] Mistic@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

It's more convenient than dragging a cursor across the screen. Works especially great with a 360° hinge.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or, you can just not touch the screen..

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I am legally blind, so I have to get close to the screen in order to properly see it. So accidental touches can sometimes occur.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I see, that makes sense, a very rare occurrence that is not understandable without knowing context that you are legally blind..

Normally, touch signals and video signals use different wires, so I am positive that you will be able to disable touch on hardware level.

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