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[–] Mim@lemmy.zip 215 points 2 months ago (3 children)
  • It's in bumfuck nowhere
  • I don't speak Japanese
  • Building it up to a modern living standard will be expensive
  • I'd have to move to Japan

Unsorted list of reasons why not from the top of my head

[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 59 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think those first 2 cancel each other out.

[–] Mim@lemmy.zip 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Still need to be ble to do the paperwork and go get groceries though. So I doubt it cancels out.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Nothing that a translation app on your phone can't fix.

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 2 months ago (8 children)

It’s not that bad

Looking on maps it’s in a rural area but not that rural. The house is situated on the outskirts of a town, basically

Local middle schools website says they had 185 students in 2020, that’s pretty good for rural Japan

About a 30m walk from the town/school. Train station there, bunch of cafes, konbini.

It’s not going to be living in Tokyo obviously but there are rural areas in Japan that are far worse, where the school is 7 kids that all share a classroom even though they’re mixed grade 2-9 because the district has 1 teacher

Bigger reason for me: that house is decrepit and Japan experiences more natural disasters than pretty much any other country. Like I’m not living in a crap shack when the next earthquake, typhoon, or tsunami inevitably hits

The language isn’t that hard though. プラス、それからもっと漫画を読めるよ。

[–] MurrayL@lemmy.world 64 points 2 months ago (12 children)

The language isn’t that hard though

Gonna go ahead and press X to doubt on that. Japanese is consistently ranked among the hardest languages to learn for English speakers, alongside Mandarin and Arabic.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

If I can learn it anyone can. I am straight up stupid. Full disclosure though: while I can write it pretty well (with a phone or pc, no fucking way I can do it by hand) my speech is mixed. When I talk to Japanese people they say “wow! Your Japanese is so good!” Which means it’s not very good hahah

Mandarin is way harder because it’s alllll kanji and the speaking in tones stuff is so much more nuanced

I’m pretty sure it’s ranked hard because you have to learn an alternative alphabet. But this is not really that tough. You can learn hiragana fairly quickly. Katakana is not nearly as necessary as you might think. Then learning kanji does admittedly take forever but often you’ll see things are either written in hiragana, only use the most basic of kanji, or if they use fancy kanji they have the hiragana next to it anyway (like a phonetic spelling)

The grammar is a little challenging:

Subject verb object - I sushi eat instead of I eat sushi

The subject gets dropped and implied; the language is heavily contextual. I eat it - 食べます (tabemasu) - i (implied) eat it (implied). This is why llm and machine language translation stinks at Japanese, because it can’t really know context from a single line (though it’s improving, chatgpt got that right though deepl said “I’ll eat”, which isn’t wrong, strictly and did give both I’ll eat it and I’ll have some as alternatives)

Then there’s particles like は wa and が ga which mark the subject and topic, respectively. English doesn’t really have an equivalent.

But this isn’t harder as much as it’s nuance imo. The writing system and alphabet is harder, objectively. There’s 46 hiragana and over 100 if you include the additional forms (which is misleading a bit) then basically the same number of katakana, then about 2,000 kanji in use. That’s a lot to learn but it’s basically an extension of learning vocab

Now should you learn Japanese? That’s a tough one. Stagnant economy, falling birth rate year after year, etc. but your goals are your own and don’t have to be practical

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Kanji have extremely inconsistent pronunciation. It is one of the worst things about learning the language. It's not just 2000, it's 2000, most with multiple readings, many with exceptional readings.

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

About a 30m walk from the town/school.

I interpreted this as 30 meters and wondered why anyone would care about a walk that reasonable.

not living in a crap shack when the next earthquake, typhoon, or tsunami inevitably hits

I imagine this would work out pretty great if you can just lift off the roof if it collapses on you in an earthquake. The other two, not so much.

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[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 108 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Sure, it looks cheap. It's cheap for a reason. Buying abandoned property in a remote place is often the most expensive way to find out why.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 59 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Japanese houses in particular are basically a consumable. They are designed for a very short lifetime compared to pretty much any other developed country.

The average wooden house there lasts 21 years.

[–] lesinge@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lol, I'll have to trust you on the source.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Lol, yeah, I was trying to find a source for the average home age, and an article in English cited this as the official government statistics, which i thought would be more responsible to cite, even if I couldn't understand it. I did auto-translate it to double check, though.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 86 points 2 months ago (2 children)

There are way more complexities than meet the eye here.

Not the least of which: just buying property doesn't give you a way to extend a visa beyond the normal tourist period (usually 90 days per 6-month period). Japan ultimately is still an isolationist country, and it shows the most in its immigration policies.

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[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 69 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Because Japan can be extremely xenophobic.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 69 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

going to nightclubs as a foreigner in japan: everyone loves you and wants to talk to you

getting a job (other than teaching english to kids) as a foreigner in japan: good luck

[–] Trollception@sh.itjust.works 41 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Ehhh. My experience in some bars was not like that. I had a couple where they where the bouncer clearly didn't want me inside and I was told a place was closed several times when clearly they were not. It was just closed to me.

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[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 months ago

I think you meant "going to nightclubs as a white foreigner in Japan"

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[–] Doctor_Satan@lemmy.world 60 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

As others in this thread have said, buying a property in Japan doesn't extend your Visa or grant you residence in the country. This would be a waste of time if you didn't already have that lined up. However, there are countries that do. Some have what's called the Golden Visa program, or Investor/Real Estate Visa program (there are other names, but if you're doing a search, this should turn up decent results). Here's a list of some countries that do this, and the minimum amount you need to spend.

Portugal - Golden Visa Investment - €500,000 ($540k USD) or €350,000 ($380k USD) for lower population areas, or properties that need to be renovated Residency benefits - Residency permit for 5 years, with the opportunity to apply for permanent residency after that

Spain - Golden Visa Investment - €500,000 ($540k USD) Residency benefits - Residency permit for 1 year, renewable as long as you own the property, and you can apply for permanent residency after 5 years

Greece - Golden Visa Investment - €250,000 ($270k USD) Residency benefits - Residency permit for 5 years, renewable as long as you own the property, and you can apply for permanent residency after 7 years

Thailand - Thailand Elite Visa Investment - THB 1,000,000 (about $30k USD) for a 5 year Visa Residency benefits - Renewable every 5 years with no residency requirement

Ecuador - Investor Visa Investment - $42,500 in real estate Residency benefits - Grants you permanent residency

Malaysia - Malaysia My Second Home (MM2H) Investment - RM 1 million (about $240k USD) in real estate Residency benefits - Grants you a 10 year renewable Visa

Philippines - Special Resident Retiree Visa Investment - $50k in real estate Residency benefits - Grants you permanent residency

When I was looking into bailing on the US, I made a Libre Office spreadsheet with like 70 countries and all this info plus a bunch of other personal requirements for what I was looking for, so some of it may be outdated. Hell, some of it may be straight up incorrect, so feel free to double check it.

[–] ___@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 months ago

Portugal doesn't have a property based golden ticket visa as of October 2023 due to concerns that it was affecting real estate prices in cities like Lisbon and Porto. But you can still donate 250K euro in cash or invest 500K euro in a local business that leads to job creation (among a couple other investment options). Another option for Portugal is the D7 visa, which requires you to live in the country 6 months the year for 5 years, but requires foreign income of 10K euro per year. Either way, after 5 years, you're eligible to apply for citizenship.

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[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 53 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The catch is that rural Japan is a a shithole rife with xenophobia, privacy violations, bullying, and problematic neighbors. And that's for ethnically Japanese people, so it's be way worse if you were actually a foreigner.

There's a reason why people in Japan try so hard to move away from rural areas into cities.

https://youtu.be/fjK1BkpOa8w

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What kind of privacy violations? Do the neighbors peek into your windows?

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 40 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I actually looked into that property once; there was no way it was going to happen for a number of reasons. I ended up buying a house in much better condition in another area.

I really need to do a video about the topic or something. There are many, many landmines with stuff like this. For a very TL;DR and assuming every single other thing is perfect: owning a home does not give you the right to spend any extra time in Japan nor grant a visa; you are on the hook for taxes, fees, septic maintenance (though the above property may have been a pit toilet; I don't remember), and other bills which will have to be paid from a Japanese bank account. There are also certain neighborhood association obligations, property maintenance, fire control, etc.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Essentially, there's usually good reason it was abandoned.

Additionally, houses in Japan aren't really built to last. Properties like these are usually bulldozed and rebuit when purchased.

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[–] Doctor_Satan@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

I watched a video from an American guy who did this. But he already had residence, and made it very clear that if you don't have residence, doing something like this would be a waste of time and money. He bought a massive junker of a house and it took him like 2 years and a bunch of help to make it livable. Still a good video, and still a cool idea, assuming you have certain ducks already lined up. Definitely not something to do on a whim.

I looked at doing something like this in quite a few countries, and skipped on Japan pretty quickly. Happy with my decision though.

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[–] Souroak@lemmy.sdf.org 40 points 2 months ago (7 children)

I'm sure you could find a cheap condemned shit hole in your nearest rural area too. That doesn't mean that it's a good deal.

It's so cheap because the current owner doesn't want to spend the money on demolishing the structure before selling vacant land. And if it is still available it is because no developer has looked at it and thought that they could make money on the flip.

[–] Doctor_Satan@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Tons of places like that in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsyltucky, and all over the Midwest US. My girlfriend was scrolling through them talking about selling her house and buying one of those places on a big plot of land and thank fucking Jeebus I talked her out of it. I was like "babe, have you never seen the cinematic masterpiece 'The Money Pit' with Tom Hanks?"

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[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)
  1. ghosts

  2. Chances of being isekaied are much higher immediately after moving to Japan.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 26 points 2 months ago

Why are you listing benefits? They asked why not.

:P

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Because they won’t sell it to a foreigner. It’s not exactly legal but they won’t sell anyway.

Unless you lawyer up beforehand.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You’d die when the next big earthquake or landslide hits that home. Or when Sadako crawls out of your TV

[–] vane@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)
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[–] doomcanoe@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago

With house prices that good, I can't afford not to die!

[–] flango@lemmy.eco.br 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (5 children)

That place is either haunted or home to some nature spirits. Either way thwy'll fuck you up.

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[–] MichaelScotch@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if there are soot sprites in the attic. Is there a giant camphor tree nearby?

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Because buying and not using land is morally wrong.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 42 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I don't know that I agree with that. I guess it depends. For example, if they bought the land and let it return to nature, is that really morally wrong, especially given the remote location? Humans aren't the only ones who might want to use that land.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That would be the best option if nobody else is trying to buy it.

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[–] whatevercomeon@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let them discover how taxes, insurance and liabilities work.

[–] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] whatevercomeon@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Nah man they can quote Anime so they get instant citizenship.

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[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The Japanese government and culture hates foreigner. Unless you or your parents have Japanese citizenship, you're going to have a hard time.

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[–] scytale@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Because these houses are located in remote, rural areas. They have been abandoned because people are moving closer to the cities or the owners are old/dying and they can't continue maintaining them. The money you save from the initial purchase will all come out of the expenses to renovate and maintain the house because a lot of them are run-down.

Of course if you're the type who wants to live in the middle of nowhere, and you have the money and skills to renovate, this can be for you.

[–] orb360@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago

Will I meet the Totoro?

[–] peteyestee@feddit.org 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wish I had that kind of money.

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