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(this is a sarcastic post meant to highlight the absurdity of some of the “greater good” rhetoric we’ve been hearing, especially around leaving vulnerable populations like disabled people behind in case of revolution, basically accelerationism)

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 88 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (26 children)

Fight all you want, by all means, bring those in power further left. But at the ballot box come election day, I don't care if the dem wants to sacrifice puppies on weekends. Guaranteed their Republican opponent has a factory grinding puppies into various consumer products by the millions. And their 3rd party counterpart likely has a greater chance of getting elected to mayor of flavortown than to congress/president (and also still probably kills puppies casually among friends themselves).

Is this system bullshit? Yup. Is it the one we got? Yup. We need to deal within that reality. By all means, let's work to change that system, but for the love of God, let's not shoot ourselves in the foot when our favorite candidate doesn't stand a chance in hell, or the more likely candidate is blatantly flawed (but still better than the alternative)

[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

100%. Prior to Election Day? Get a democratic butt in every race and challenge the people advocating for puppy sacrifices.

Unfortunately we are at a point where only one party can be fixed.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But I was told democrats are worse than hitler

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 39 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They aren't worse then Hitler. They just kept saying Hitler has a right to defend himself and selling him the gas for his chambers.

Not the best way to win an election.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I don't care if the dem wants to sacrifice puppies on weekends.

How's that been working for you? It looks to me like this attitude brought us Trump. Maybe it's time the Democrats started demanding better.

I say demanding. Sitting out an election doesn't count. The system doesn't change just because you refuse to participate.

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[–] clonedhuman@lemmy.world 73 points 2 months ago

Anything that gets you to target people with less power than you is a psy-op.

There is only one group of people to oppose. It's a small group of extremely wealthy people. All their mouthpieces on the internet are irrelevant (and likely bots) and are best ignored/blocked.

There is one small, powerful group who are the only justifiable targets. Everything else is a distraction and likely a divide-and-weaken tactic.

One small group of powerful, wealthy people. That is the enemy. No one with less power than you is worth focusing on.

[–] parody@lemmings.world 32 points 2 months ago (27 children)

Difficult to raise this amongst friends but one 2022 story came to mind

https://www.vox.com/policy/385549/trans-sports-transgender-biden-harris-democrats-titleix

PS: obviously my conflict is about “fight for 1% of athletes vs. lose election to Hitlerguy and harm like 50% of the population”, to oversimplify greatly

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 41 points 2 months ago (11 children)

I bet we could get even more of these conservatives on our side if we promised to repeal gay marriage. Let's try that, too

Ooh, and we could get even more people if we promised to put the Jews in camps

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[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

If you aren't going to fight for that "1% of athletes" even though you think they're right just because they're too politically inconvenient then I have zero faith you'll fight for me when I'm politically inconvenient and actually need you to

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 26 points 2 months ago (3 children)

“fight for 1% of athletes vs. lose election to Hitlerguy and harm like 50% of the population”

Republicans who got on the "Freak out about transgender policy" lost their elections in droves in 2022. Several big swing Senate seats flipped because guys like Blake Masters and Herschel Walker couldn't stop screaming slurs at campaign rallies. We've seen Republicans scrub out over and over again by downing too much of their own kool-aid.

Democrats didn't lose 2024 because they were too nice to Transgender people. They lost because they were too nice to Liz Cheney. Harris made a big show of aligning with neoconservatives on everything from immigration and trade to military policies against Russia and China to the stubborn endorsement of the Palestine genocide. All of this shit polled worse than support for Transgender civil rights. Harris had no problem throwing the country in front of Hitlerguy to endorse the tear-gassing of Columbia University and the Kids In Cages on the Texas/Mexico border.

Even then... even if you can argue with a stack full of polling papers that Harris knew with perfect certainty and well in advance of the November vote that an impassioned speech in defense of transgender athletes would doom her campaign and subject the US to Hitlerguy, so what? She didn't do this and she still fucking lost.

So she and the rest of her squishy latte liberal cohort threw away a big chunk of LGBTQ support for what? What did Dems gain by embracing reactionary policy?

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Democrats didn't lose 2024 because they were too nice to Transgender people. They lost because they were too nice to Liz Cheney.

This right here can't be said enough. The problem isn't policies that are too leftist. It's the "liberals" that a working so hard to cozy up to conservatives. If we wanted moderate Republicans we'd vote for 'em. We want fucking leftists goddammit!!!

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The problem with this is that it assumes Democrats have no agency. Democratic politicians have treated trans issues like those crusty old male Dems who don't like saying the word abortion.

Dems have never provided loud and full-throated support to trans issues. Go watch the recent John Oliver video on trans sports. There are very very good arguments on why excluding trans people from sports is incredibly anti-scientific and just thinly disguised bigotry. But Democratic politicians have never bothered developing the talking points to defend trans people, like they have for other core issues.

Look at how Kamala responded when asked about trans issues. She didn't provide full-throated support to trans people. Her reply was simply, "I'll follow the law."

Democrats have completely failed to defend trans people. They've quietly passed a few state level anti-discrimination laws, but in terms of rhetoric, they've completely ceded the space to conservatives. The only mainstream voices talking about trans issues have been the anti-trans bigots. The Democrats have instead just called the whole issue a distraction and hoped it would all just blow away.

They're right that it is a distraction, an artificial one concocted by Republicans. But that doesn't mean they can just ignore it.

Propaganda works. And if you don't do the hard rhetorical work to fight it, it eventually does change public opinion.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Her reply was simply, "I'll follow the law."

Well, that's more than she was willing to do for Gaza.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (5 children)

So, how large does a minority have to be before they are no longer disposable?

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[–] UsernameHere@lemy.lol 24 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is why leftists consistently lose elections.

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[–] kaprap@leminal.space 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Essentially the 'left' on the topic of Palestine

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[–] hedge_lord@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

I know that you're really concerned about being stabbed with knives. But you just need to accept the Hard Truth that you not being stabbed with knives is losing political issue! Really, that's why we're losing elections. You can't have everything that you want. And you need to see where the other side is coming from...

vs

I know that you're really concerned about being stabbed with knives. One of these candidates is implicitly okay with you being stabbed with knives, and the other wants to personally stab you with even more knives. I recognize the injustice in this and will therefore vote for neither of them! (the worse one won and now you're being stabbed with even more knives)

Who will win? (spoiler: I don't know but certainly not you because you're too busy being stabbed with knives)

[–] Makhno@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (7 children)

This post could actually be the psy-op. Spread the idea that infighting is happening to then create it

[–] Album@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"Left unity" IS the psy-op. The notion that leftism is some sort of singular concept that is harmonious with all forms of itself. What a great manipulation. There are good ways to do leftism and bad ways. Anyone who tells you different is intentionally trying to create divisiveness of the known differences in approaches to leftism to agitate leftists and gaslight them into thinking there is an ideal and that the ideal is only achievable if they all somehow agree. But as they never will as this doesn't make sense, these contradictions positioned as truths are the manipulation used to destabilize any movements. For any success of movement leftists will need to agree to disagree or one will have to over power the other.

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 22 points 2 months ago

I've seen enough infighting already, if anything this joke is late to the punch.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Infighting amongst leftist has literally existed as long as leftist ideology itself has existed. You can't learn the history of the left without reading about dozens of examples.

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[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] bricklove@midwest.social 7 points 2 months ago

This is the fart side shat

[–] Kaboom@reddthat.com 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good good, let the hate flow through you. Purity is what matters, not affecting change. Go now, inquisitor.

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[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Tankies justifying slave labor "only 10% of industries were built with gulag forces" calling socialist countries that succeeded with market socialism revisionist "Tito is a revisionist prick delaying global Revolution" and then not even batting an eye to the worse state capitalism that USSR and china engaged in "it improved the lives of people! No, it wasn't authoritarian! And yes, the party members we sent to gulags and killed were DEFINITELY anti revolutionists and not trying to stop the state capitalism that was forming."

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[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 months ago

looking at you, Sarah McBride 👀

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