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A Boring Dystopia

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[–] Desistance@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Must be nice to be able to afford to run.

[–] aramova 9 points 6 days ago
[–] deathbird@mander.xyz -1 points 6 days ago

I read the summary on the archive page. I'm not impressed.

Let's go with the premise that I believe that the American fascist movement is here. So what do I do with that? We can't all just move to Toronto, and if we could it wouldn't help anyone else. So...?

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 121 points 1 week ago (2 children)

We need an "I'm an academic expert on fascism. Of you see me running try and keep up" tee shirt

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 59 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My therapist called me a canary in the coal mine. I'm trans, I have the means to move, basically it was a "if you leave suddenly I'll know things have gotten really bad". I've almost gotten everything lined up to move on a plan but I'm still keeping my bug out bag around in case something bad enough happens I need to leave day of to try and get past the border

[–] vimmiewimmie@lemm.ee 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ehhmm.. Would you happen to need a live in maid, assistant, gardener, groundskeeper..anything wherever you end up? Asking for a friend.

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Straight up if I find a place with enough space and I can afford the rent, I'm going to try and bring in another person and give them free or greatly reduced rent. I can't help with the residency permit stuff but helping someone land is the least I can do

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[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Any advice for someone starting this sort of planning (beyond "you should've started a year ago)?

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you have ancestry from Europe, see if any of the countries have an easy path to citizenship based on that. If it's part of the EU, you don't have to live in the country you have citizenship in either.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Have to go pretty far up the family tree for that, sadly; they most likely came here on a wooden ship. Based on some hereditary physical traits, we're from somewhere around France and Spain. I'm descended from Oklahoma great depression poor folk on one side and a mix of military and tradesmen on the other.

Any family who could corroborate any kind of genealogy is dead, no longer mentally there due to old age, or deeply estranged.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Have a degree? Otherwise, keep your head down and wait until some country opens up for refugees.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Be born with Irish grandparents.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago

Hah! I wish. Last 4+ generations of my family were born in the US.

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[–] M137@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you see me running, try to keep up*

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're fascism experts, not grammar experts

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They study Nazis, not grammar nazis

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[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well, I'm glad you have the privilege to do so, I suppose.

[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 20 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Well, why don't the 250 million Americans who didn't vote for trump just also move to Canada???

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Someone once told me to just apply to be a refugee and move to Canada, as a response to complaining about trump supporters in my area. They weren't even a trump supporter themselves. Bruh, I doubt Canada wants my disabled and out of work ass, even if it was just that simple.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

No, they dont,
just like how the US doesn't want the dumbshit "my way or the highway" western canadian separatists.

immigration is difficult, you've got to be extremely rich, smart and highly skilled in a marketable and demanded field, or lucky.

most people are none of these things

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

You can't apply for refugee status from the US to Canada anyway

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[–] Emergency3030@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Would be nice but you can't simply move to any other country you want. Other countries have enacted similar stupid immigration laws just like the US. There isn't a single country where US citizens can just move (except the US of course). It's like a curse. The orange in the WH would need to do something really f'ed for other countries to accept american asylum applications. personally I wish I could just bag and go

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 15 points 1 week ago

It's great when people on your side of the border hate you because you support human rights, and people on the other side of the border hate you because of where you were born and lived untill recently.

Also simultaneously being told "you should just leave your shit hole country" from one group of people and also "you should stay and fix your own stupid country before you try and ruin others"

Basically "fuck you for existing, now go die quietly so we can get on with our lives"

And don't even get me started on any sort of minority group and how shitty they have it here. Can't even walk to the corner store without looking over their shoulder for ICE or some other thug law enforcement.

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[–] mriswith@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Oh, it opens with a 6min unskippable video. instead of an article, on a website that still has the line "Today's Paper" at the top of the page.

At this point I'm convinced that the NYT is living in the 2000s.

[–] LovingHippieCat@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well we all know that Fascism experts are the least important people to have around when Fascism takes over a country.

Technically you can criticize from afar but it's good to have fascism experts on the front lines.

This is also an incredibly privileged thing to be able to do and one that the vast majority of the most vulnerable and likely to be on the camp list are stuck here and would like some experts to help fight back.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 38 points 1 week ago

Well we all know that Fascism experts are the least important people to have around when Fascism takes over a country.

Historically nobody fucking listens to fascism experts so yeah that's true. Looking at the pace Trump is democracy at and the state of "resistance" to his regime, I'd bail too, and I didn't spend my whole career studying the horrors of fascism.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The thing they are good for us as a canary in a coal mine, which is why they publish this.

Most miners would act when the candy dies out of experience. Most people with poor understanding of history lack the experience.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It should have been clear when the police was cracking down on the university protests in 2024.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

2024? Not Bush II? Full blown fascism has just been on the back burner for a long time.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago

Must be nice.

[–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

Well, that was a little terrifying

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Good idea - it's best to study fascism from a healthy distance.

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

considering the actions of the current administration it would have probably been better to publish this after leaving the US

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 1 points 6 days ago

If they were genuinely afraid, sure.

I suspect they're willing to take the risk to try and warn others. This is sort of a middle ground approach. They're banking on Trump not being able to retaliate in time before they leave the country, he's moving fast, but he's not at the imprison political opponents stage yet. He will be soon, but they've got some time.

In the meantime, it serves as a warning to us and others to get out if you can.

[–] SW42@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

To be fair many of the US media outlets, among which is also the New York Times often refused to call out the utter nonsense that Trump was spewing during the campaign. This is also a reason it has come to the current situation.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 12 points 1 week ago

Good for them.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago

Took them long enough.

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