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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 229 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Perpetuating the myth that student loan forgiveness means “your taxes are paying off student loans,” when it really means “government is telling banks to fuck off with their excessive interest rates on student loans.”

Tax money isn’t going to the banks* or the students. The students have usually paid off the loans, and are now struggling with the interest debt. The gov’t telling the bank to give up on that debt isn’t hurting anyone, but the bank doesn’t get as much profit as they could have - and since the banks own the senators & media outlets, we get the myth that student loan forgiveness means “taxes paying off student loans.”

*note - I think some deals do include the gov’t giving the banks some money to “cover their (imaginary) losses.”

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 43 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Also in the US, the bottom 50% don't pay a dime in federal income taxes.

Also the concept of "MY" tax dollars is super selfish.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Imma need a source on that. Bottom 50% of who?

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

The bottom 50% of Americans make less than $40k a year. They do pay some federal taxes, but with the standard deduction, the 19.3% of working Americans that make less than $15k a year don't pay any federal taxes. The standard deduction goes up to $22.5k for a head of household (i.e. a single working parent). Given that the federal minimum wage still works out to $15,080 a year, that means a full-time minimum wage worker doesn't make enough to get hit with income taxes.

Edit: Here's a wikipedia article with the numbers I pulled and the tax bracket info is on the IRS website: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

An important thing to note is that 50% don't pay federal tax, as you said here

They still pay sales tax and taxes of that sort (which actually are significant), just not the federal income/property taxes

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And that's not even getting into state income taxes, Medicare taxes, and Social Security taxes. Those all have different brackets and some states are more regressive than others. There are states like Texas that don't have income taxes, but they make up for it by taxing everything else through things like sales and property taxes.

Of note: sales tax is always the most regressive taxation model, and tariffs are basically sales taxes on steroids.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There are states like Texas that don't have income taxes, but they make up for it by taxing everything else through things like sales and property taxes

Fun fact: last I checked (~2 years ago) TX was like 8% more taxed than famously tax-happy CA, which pissed some Texan dickheads off when I pointed it out

[–] medgremlin@midwest.social 10 points 6 days ago

They just try to slide it under the radar by not showing the taxes on your payslip because you're more likely to look closer at that than your receipt from the grocery store.

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[–] lime@feddit.nu 13 points 6 days ago

at least here the student loans are given out directly by the state. which means the state sets the interest rate. for the past 10 years, it has been 0%.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I really wish we would make it a crime to spin narratives in bad faith.

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Every public statement by a politician should be considered under oath

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[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Then fix the interest rates. Set them to 0% and do a mandatory income based repayment with a subsidy reduction from the graduating institution to incentivize them to help place graduates in better positions. If you hit the institutions with non-placement claw-back fees they will help.

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[–] caboose2006@lemm.ee 103 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Our ancestors worked 16 hours a day 6 days a week. Maybe we should go back to that just to be fair. My grandparents didn't have the polio vaccine better stop that too.

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 30 points 6 days ago (3 children)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-29/leisure-time-from-middle-ages-to-today-witold-rybczynski/103500020

"In the Middle Ages, people actually had more leisure time and more holidays than we do," cultural historian Witold Rybczynski tells ABC RN's Life Matters.

"Leisure was more important in terms of everyday life than the work. The work was harder and broken up much more … compared to today."

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes yes yes..... You give these fat cat bastards an inch and they'll take a mile. Efficiency is not for me. It's for the money man. Also, what type of efficiency are we talking about here?

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[–] Tryenjer@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

To be honest, that's exactly what many "conservatives" today want. They would be better described as reactionaries than conservatives.

[–] akintudne@reddthat.com 9 points 6 days ago

Regressive is the term you're searching for.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Common misconception, wrong though. During Industrialisation was the all time peak but today is still much higher than hundreds or thousands of years ago

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[–] musubibreakfast@lemm.ee 14 points 6 days ago

We'll all become peasants who serve a lord and we'll call it natural living

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[–] witchybitchy@lemm.ee 114 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

can we yeet all these individualistic, self-righteous fucks into a volcano already?

I'm so tired of having to convince these unempathetic, short-sighted dregs that caring about your fellow human is actually a good thing, and, y'know, kinda the whole basis to having a functioning civilization

[–] whostosay@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago
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[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 58 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Because "f u, I got mine" (and the other side of the coin too: "if I got fugged, so will you") is the one true creed in American society, and everyone that opposes it is a heretic/commie.

[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 10 points 6 days ago

Hooray for me and fuck you!

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

An Oklahoma man accused of sneaking into a teenage girl’s bedroom in the middle of the night in Battlefield and then raping and assaulting her was sentenced on Friday, Jan. 24 to 20 years in prison.

Patrick Shane Sparkman, 41, entered Alford pleas of guilty to the charges of first-degree rape and first-degree sodomy. As part of the plea agreement, prosecutors dropped one count of sodomy, two counts of molestation of a child between the ages of 4 and 17, one count of enticement of a child and one count of third-degree assault.

According to online court records, Greene County Judge Kaiti Greenwade sentenced Sparkman to 10 years for the rape charge and 10 years for the sodomy charge and ordered those sentences be served consecutively.

An Alford plea under Missouri law means a defendant does not admit they committed a crime, but admits prosecuting attorneys have enough evidence against them that a court could reasonably convict them of a crime.

Charging documents described Sparkman as someone who’d been living in Battlefield at the time of the assault on Dec. 31, 2023, but had few ties to the area. He was arrested on March 29, 2024.

According to the probable cause statement used to charge Sparkman, he “claimed he had no memory of the event ever happening. He stated he had been drinking heavily during the day which amounted to what he described was a ‘handle’ of alcohol.”

A handle of liquor is a 1.75 liter bottle of liquor; it has 39 1.5-ounce shots in it.

The victim told police the assault lasted about two hours. She also told police she told Sparkman “no” several times and that Sparkman at one point choked her.

The probable cause statement says the investigating officer contacted the Stillwater, Oklahoma, police department about a “past rape charge” against Sparkman and obtained information that case involved a 10-year-old victim.

Sparkman is from Oklahoma and has no ties to Battlefield, according to court documents.

Sparkman remains in the Greene County Jail awaiting transport to a Missouri Department of Corrections prison.

https://sgfcitizen.org/government/crime/man-sentenced-to-20-years-for-sneaking-into-battlefield-teens-room-and-raping-her/

[–] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The probable cause statement says the investigating officer contacted the Stillwater, Oklahoma, police department about a “past rape charge” against Sparkman and obtained information that case involved a 10-year-old victim.

Fuck it. Burn it all down. I think dolphins are next in line. Let's hope they do better than we did.

EDIT - Goddammit I forgot dolphins are extremely rapey too.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I know this is not the point, of the post, but what the hell do they mean by calling the raped teen a Battlefield teen? Was she a pro gamer?

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think that's the town where it happened.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ohh I see, thanks

Battlefield is named for its proximity to the 1861 Battle of Wilson's Creek, one of the first large battles of the American Civil War.

It would not have occurred to me that you'd call a town that.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 5 days ago

It's the city not the game.

[–] andybytes@programming.dev 16 points 6 days ago

Oh gawd I hope this is real....thats

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago

Do we know if she supports paying for her son's incarceration?

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Oof is not really the appropriate title.

The title should be whatever response you would make when somebody detonates a nuclear warhead directly inside of your soul.

If I was her, I would put my phone down and walk outside of my house into the woods and never return.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The title should be whatever response you would make when somebody detonates a nuclear warhead directly inside of your soul.

So oof.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

You know what? I'm convinced. If the mother of a rapist pedo doesn't want to forgive student loans, she's probably right about government policy. In fact, she should run for office. /s

[–] Jews4Palestine@lemmy.today 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Run for office? Are you out of your goddamned mind?! We can't have a woman president! /s

[–] gaja@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago

The show-me state strikes again

[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 days ago (6 children)
[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 39 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] CidVicious@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 days ago (4 children)
[–] takeda@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Reality has a "left bias".

This is why all conservative subreddits have to curate who can post there because it easily shows that they are really a fringe group that don't reflect the general population.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Are you one of those that defines politics as everything they don't like?

People are allowed to meme about life and shit that's happened

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[–] witchybitchy@lemm.ee 18 points 6 days ago

one person's shit post is another's shitpost

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