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I watched some of Apple's recent shows using...different methods than the official app and I believe they're making some of the best content out there, currently. Shows like Severance and For All Mankind are masterpieces and they give me the SciFi fix I desperately needed.

So I've decided to bite the bullet and get a subscription - after all, you should support the creators you're really invested in, right?

Watching content on their platform is so painful - it's one of the worst experiences I ever had. If you want to watch the shows in a browser, you need to use Microsoft Edge on Windows because that's the only browser which comes with Playwright DRM - and it only works if you have a HDCP 2.2-capable screen. If you don't have that, the content gets served in 480p with a low bitrate. Might as well just put in a VHS at this point.

There's another alternative: The official Windows 11 app you can get from the store. It is indeed capable of serving you UHD streams...if it wants to. All episodes that are age-rated to 16+ currently don't work, because they forgot to implement an age verification mechanism and pressing play doesn't do anything at all. According to their forums, that even seems to happen on MacOS in some cases, so they really messed up the most important thing of their own streaming platform: Pressing Play to watch an episode.

Even if you're lucky and you're watching a show that isn't age-restricted, they serve the content in the language your Apple account has been set to when you've created it by default. So every time you open an episode, you have to start it and switch the audio to English. If you go to your account settings to change the language it tells you that your subscription needs to end before you can do that. So you have to wait four weeks or a whole year to change the default language, depending on the subscription model.

Adding to that, sometimes the video streams just freeze, the audio doesn't play at all or the app straightup crashes in the middle of a stream.

I have rarely seen a platform messing up the user experience this badly. It's as if Apple doesn't even want you to watch their own content. I've decided to not renew my subscription and procure the episodes from other sources. I wanted to give you money, Apple. But you fucked up.

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[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

Foundation is pretty excellent as well.

I go with the path of least resistance for top quality. I don't think a subscription can give you this.

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Apple is incompetent at writing software for anything but their own devices. iCloud Web is also a disaster for example, and the old iTunes for Windows is infamous for being a buggy mess. Though I have to say they did a good job with the new web Apple Maps.

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago

I always thought this was intentional. Apple TV doesn't make them money, but it's a gateway drug for you to completely move over to their ecosystem

[–] weirdboy@lemm.ee 37 points 3 days ago

I am not sure "mildly infuriating" is accurate in this case.

[–] f314@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As per usual, Apple heavily prefers its own hardware and software. Using the TV app on my Mac the image quality of Apple TV+ blows all the other streaming services out of the water, but in the browser it’s a blurry, buffering mess 🤷‍♂️

[–] diphthong@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My guess is they throw these Windows projects at summer interns.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Most likely the people using a windows browser to watch ATV+ is a minuscule percentage and doesn’t warrant the cost of implementing and maintaining a proper solution

[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We're going to see a lot more software going down the shitter as companies downsize, scale in, lay off with the plan to use AI to save money.

It used to be "move fast break things". Now it's more like "vibe code good enough"

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

Always been a thing

It’s pay for a foothold, recoup costs

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

As someone in the ecosystem and who has no interest in watching on Windows, works for me.

  • smart tv app just works
  • iOS/iPadOS devices just work
  • subscription is trivial to manage on iOS

My objections were

  • do not like using smart tv apps
  • FireStick does not have an AppleTV app
  • I was set to try an Apple TV device but the current version was released 3 years ago so I have been hoping for an updated one
  • shows were outstanding but it had less content than other streaming services
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don't have an apple TV. Or an iPhone.

I had Apple TV for a while, during the ForAllMankind days and especially Ted Lasso. Some of their TV is great.

But killing my subscription took me three tries. Holy hopping shit, Hannah, was it a bag-drive just to find the page and make it happen. Their entire website is one big incestuous circle asking you why you don't have an iProduct and why not buy one here.

I'm 30 years in Linux, I should mention, and I worked at a distro building and securing Linux and AT&T Unix, and I'm somewhat nerdy. Still. It was such a mortal trial.

Never going back.

Remember when the US successfully sued and dismantled companies using their market presence to unfair advantage?

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[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Silo is an amazing show too.

I always get so hyped up when the intro music plays, it's amazing!

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I know this isnt what you want to hear, but it's actually one of the better apps on my smart tv. It works pretty smoothly, and video seeking (fast forward/rewind) actually works well, which is a main criteria for me. The Max app, on the other hand, is dog shit.

It used to be the worst app because Netflix was so damn good. Then Netflix took a shit all over their user experience and jacked prices to the tits so we cancelled them. And HBO got bought by Time Warner who is actively antagonistic towards streaming because the CEO just looks at their entire catalog as a tax writeoff - so the max app is fucking dreadful.

Then Apple decided to make things suck less and they succeeded. The one thing they screwed up is there is no way to disable that obnoxious auto-play bullshit at the end of each episode. All of the other apps are now so bad that we exclusively subscribe through the appletv app. My wife likes giving money to paramount for some reason - but at least if we do it through the apple app there are no ads.

[–] lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I didn't even know they had a Smart TV app. What TV are you using?

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Any TV made in the last few years, all Google TVs at least and LG WebOS

[–] Squeezer@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I have a big 2012 Samsung screen which is still surprisingly good, with a Roku stick in it. Works just fine. I hope it never dies.

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[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

It literally wouldn't even let me sign up. I tried on desktop and mobile. Got some different type of error every time, even with attempts several months apart. I decided to just hit the high seas.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 days ago

Yarr !, my experience has been stellar ;) (Gaben: It's a service problem...)

[–] Mister_Feeny@fedia.io 13 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Using firefox on windows 10 and I have none of these issues. Maybe windows 11 is what breaks it?

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago

The only thing Apple ever got right was the iPhone. All their other software and services are shit.

The Xcode + developer network + App Store publishing is complete garbage. MacOS isn’t all that great either, at least if you come from a Linux background.

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Watching it on Apple TV hardware was always simplicity. Very high quality on my OLED.

[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (5 children)

You can pay for the subscription while getting the content onto your computer through other means, this is sadly the best compromise and it also gives you long term access and ownership of things you want to hold onto, with no DRM bullshit and the creators still get paid.

P.S - whatever content you want to support, make sure to let it play on mute in the background, just so the streaming service knows it's actually popular and worth supporting

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[–] twistypencil@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Thanks for the recommendation of For All Mankind , never heard of it. Looks good.

[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

It works really well on iPhone and Apple TV. I imagine that is by designs AppleTV+ is a loss leader to get people to buy into the ecosystem. If you feel you have an ethical duty to support the creators, subscribing and continuing to obtain the content via alternative means is the best bet

[–] BroccoLemuria@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think it's positive that you had the thought of contributing and trying to watch the series through their platforms. I'm not sure it has been mentioned here but I'd suggest to hit their support channels as well, probably opening a request per individual issue you had (which are plenty).

I believe what others have said: Apple made it frustrating to use outside of their ecosystem to lure you in. Perhaps you're lucky enough to draw the attention of some devs of the platform and they take pity.

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[–] rhvg@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Daddy Apple treat you like a child. 😉

[–] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

I find that Apple supports their software and services on platforms they don't own cradle to grave while holding their nose, seemingly just so they can say they are available on other platforms. And catch a few bucks from people that don't have their hardware but really want to watch Ted Lasso and the like legally on their Android/Roku/Fire TV device.

Sure, it technically works, but like you have seen it is clearly a very distant afterthought.

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 7 points 3 days ago (8 children)

That’s weird. I’ve had Apple TV+ since it’s came out and never had any of these issues. It’s always worked seamlessly.

It probably works fine if you use an Apple device, although people have run into the aged-restricted content not playing on MacOS, too.

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[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The language thing sounds like real BS, but otherwise I haven't had any of those issues in Firefox on Linux.

I'm still rocking an old 1080p plasma TV, but I probably would have noticed if good-looking shows like Severance, Silo, and Foundation were only rendering at 480p.

It does do this stupid thing where if I hit spacebar to pause, it will resume on its own about 4 seconds later. So I have to actually click on the video with the cursor to actually pause. So that's annoying but nothing like a crash.

[–] Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Do not watch Constellation!

It's a great show, but it was cancelled after the first season.

[–] thequickben@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

I watch on an Apple TV and via my PS5. Both work well.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

I’m here bc someone else loved For All Mankind.

I havent watched any new apple content lately because I hate the apps. I’m going to watch it a different way which is somehow less tedious but more economically feasible.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 3 days ago

It's just an app on my tv I open and it worked right away.

My only issue I've had is that on my Android phone I can't Chromecast the episodes. It won't let you. So even though I had a subscription I still needed yo pirate the episodes so my friends could all watch it in a group on their TV.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Honestly the UI in the official apps is atrocious too. For one, I find it so difficult just to get to a show’s season page to pick the next episode.

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