I made a similar comment on another post but: Honda already makes motorcycles and scooters, they should make electric versions of those instead. It's only a matter a time when cities (European ones, especially) start limiting the number of cars on their roads to the point of a de facto ban. They'll invest in public transportation and dense pedestrianized centers. Micromobility will be the only personal transportation allowed.
this post was submitted on 20 May 2025
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As long as I've been casually aware of cars, which is about 20 years, Honda has always hated electric cars and had a hard on for hydrogen and hydrogen fuel cells.
I’ve always found it strange that Japan, a country with loads of nuclear power and thus lots of electricity, is against electric cars…
They have a weird power grid and unique geographic challenges that make hydrogen appealing in a lot of ways. I mean, hydrogen is appealing for a lot of reasons. The logistics and economic viability challenges are insane though
Good and bad news for me.
Good in that they'll still make and sell parts for my 9th gen si for another 20 years, but I have no idea what to pivot to after I've installed the world's last lower control arm bushing.
Eh, there's always Toyota.
I'm American leftist, so I inherently lack faith in literally everything, so, maybe they'll still be a viable company in the states in 30 years, maybe they'll become Suzuki and only make four wheelers and golf carts. Time will tell.
Suzuki still make cars, they just can't sell them to you
edit: also do they sell M-NV, eNS1 or eNP2 there? They look decent by EV norms
While they aren't in immediate danger Toyota aren't as bulletproof as their best cars are as they have been suffering with persistent sales decline.
They are still committed to passenger car HEVs, which I see as nothing but a dead end now, commercial it may or may not work, but standard passenger cars zero chance.
I get that they want to keep the money making petrol station model going by replacing petrol with hydrogen, and that eventually you will be charging EVs at home with your own renewables for the majority, but its gone, give it up.
With this head in the sand mentality they are asking for the likes of BYD to steal their market share. It will be a slow death, ICE isn't going anywhere for a while now due to various extensions, but going it is.
Check out Aptera. They should start shipping vehicles next year.
Failing that, Rivian is a great EV brand if youu have the money.
I'm kind of excited about the Telos. I hope that has established itself and has a good reputation by the time I'm ready to replace my Kona.
Yes! I’ve been keeping an eye on them, too. They’re supposed to offer Aptera solar panel options for the MT1. I’m curious what kind of daily range they can get through solar alone. For me, the possibility of solar supported charging is the most exciting part of the next generation of EVs.
You need an array of solar panels the size of a house to be able to charge a car significantly. The sun isn't that strong and cars use a lot of energy.
The Aptera design doesn’t run on solar in a real-time sense, but their focus on extreme efficiency right down to aerodynamics means the car can charge as much as 50 miles per day on solar alone. For sunny climates that’s perfect for a commuter vehicle.
I'm drawn to the size. I like my little car but it's always a challenge when doing home projects. Getting an EV that's about the same footprint, fits us and the dogs but also lets me haul like a long bed pickup? Yes, please!
I don't drive much or very far so even the entry level option would be good for me.
Wtf am I supposed to replace my aging Odyssey with then. It's perfect for PHEV most days it never goes more than a few miles and when I really drive it were don't hundreds to thousands of miles.
I don't like the Sienna, the pacifica is trash, the ID Buzz is a maybe but does not seem as practical, and KIAs still catch fire to often for me to trust.
They don’t want you to pick an electric drivetrain. It would mean you no longer are a constant customer for oil changes, brake pads, and any other regular ICE maintenance. They want you on a gas car for life because you will always be a constant revenue stream.
Sure, but for a number of customers (and increasing year over year), that's not an option. I'm not choosing between an ICE Honda and all the other non-Honda. I'm choosing between an electric Honda or an electric non-Honda.
If they don't want my money at all, then sure. But this is the sort of decision making that killed Sears and Blockbuster. Society is moving in a particular direction. They can keep up with the trends, or die.
Car makers don't care - the routine maintenance is profit for the dealers not the manufacturer. Besides you still have tire maintenance (you do rotate your tires, don't you?), suspension system, and other maintenance.
Tire rotations and suspension and other drivetrain repairs are not common for an EV the way oil changes and brakes are. Tires yes but that’s it. You can’t drive any vehicle without tires.
Brakes are not very common for ICEs either in my experience. They do wear out, but not very often. This might be about driving style, I'm not a great driver (the only people who think they are - are liars), but I do my best to follow the experts recommendations which means I'm rarely using the brakes hard.
I used to work at an auto garage and brakes are most common regular maintenance (outside of filters, and oil changes). Many people go through brakes as fast as tires. Sometimes quicker. Depends on how cheap their pads are, their driving style, and weight of their vehicles.
You dont drive a minivan. I swap rotors more often than pads, because its a beast to slow down. Regen would actually really help reduce break ware for me.
break ware
brake wear?
I just replaced a minivan we had for 10 years and 200k miles. Replaced the brakes once in that time. YMMV, but at least for me.
Manufacturers absolutely make profit selling parts for maintenance. That’s why dealerships only use OEM parts.
Oil is not one of those parts though.
There is definitely OEM brands of oil
I spend as much on maintenance for my Honda Clarity as I do on my Odyssey. I just want to be able to skip the gas station unless im doing a road trip, and I want regen breaking so I dont burn through pads and rotors all the time.
If true, then as the owner of an old reliable 2002 Honda CRV-PO, I am pretty disappointed. If their concept 0 cars don’t appeal to me, then the next purchase is probably a Rivian R2 or R3 in 2026 or 2027.
~~"Going out of business"~~
"Leaving the EV business"
The point is that both those statements are the same thing.
If you're hopeful.
I don't see civilization making it to 100% EV adoption before western society collapses. America might still be buying and producing ICE cars in 30 years, or they might be producing nothing but dirt while the world leaves them behind.
Quite a lot of the world (including the EU and UK) is committed to banning ICE cars entirely within the next 10 years. Honda simply can't survive selling exclusively ICE cars to the US and a few fringe markets; either they're a global player or they'll disappear.
Obviously if a global apocalypse wipes us all out then none of this matters, but that's true of everything. It makes commenting on the news in general a bit redundant.
With 100% as the target I agree. However I see America at somewhere around 90% EVs in the near future - hard to ignore how much cheaper charging at home is, and charging infrastructure is getting to where a road trip is not a big deal (it is still a deal - while you can make most trips often it means stopping where there is a charger just to be sure instead of stopping when the gauge gets to empty, but every year this changes a little)
For a few trips to remote areas the ability to put a few extra gas cans in the back and get a lot more range is important. For everything else though EVs are so much cheaper they will take over.
If Honda wants to make plane engines, generators and boat motors forever, I don't see why they can't scale back and do exactly that. ICE cars will go the way of the dodo, if we don't all murder eachother first, but ICE will still exist in areas that there is no replacement.