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The shooting of Robert Dotson, 52, in the northwestern New Mexico city of Farmington prompted a civil lawsuit by his family members, though public prosecutors found there was no basis to pursue criminal charges against officers after a review of events. The suit alleged that the family was deprived of its civil rights and officers acted unreasonably.

Hearing a knock at the door late on April 5, 2023, Dotson put on a robe, went downstairs and grabbed a handgun before answering. Police outside shined a flashlight as Dotson appeared and raised the firearm before three police officers opened fire, killing him. Dotson did not shoot.

“Ultimately, given the significant threat Dotson posed when he pointed his firearm at officers ... the immediacy of that threat, the proximity between Dotson and the defendant officers, and considering that the events unfolded in only a few seconds, the court finds that the defendant officers reasonably applied deadly force,” U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Garcia said in a written court opinion.

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[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 79 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is it reasonable to expect cops get the address right when they come to raid a house? No. Is it reasonable to shoot an innocent man trying to protect his house and family? Yes, if you're a cop.

If I see a cop at my door, im not answering. No one is safe in the presence of police.

[–] stinky@redlemmy.com 3 points 8 hours ago
[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 138 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And if that wasn't enough for you

Dotson’s wife, wearing only a robe, came downstairs after hearing the shots and found her husband lying in the doorway. She fired outside, not knowing who was out there. Police fired 19 rounds but missed her.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago

Maybe more guns would have helped

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca 61 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

and frank reynolds, anyways i started blasting.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the lesson I'm learning is people should answer the door with a primed grenade.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 117 points 1 day ago (1 children)

these cops are murderers. those who did not allow criminal charges are themselves murderers. they all deserve prison and maybe the wall.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago

There is no maybe about it. That's the only recourse we have when the system actively works against the people on matters of violence.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 71 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The crazy thing about this is that 2nd amendment nuts are always super defensive about the police in cases like this, even though this is obviously a case that shows you don't have a right to bear arms if the police can just roll up to your house in the middle of the night and shoot you with impunity if you have a gun in your house or are holding one when you answer the door.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 hours ago

Probably the LARPer subcategory. The smart ones know cops aren't to be trusted due to low IQ requirements, among other problems.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The NRA refused to support Philandro Castile who was shot for legally owning a firearm. Their spokesperson said on one of the Meet the Press style shows that the NRA has a lot of cops as members and they don’t want to upset them by supporting a black guy shot by cops.

[–] cristo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are way better pro gun orgs than the NRA. The NRA is no longer the powerhouse it once claimed to be. Any pro gun guy worth their salt would have jumped ship from the NRA by now.

[–] orbular@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What sets the others orgs apart from the NRA nowadays?

[–] cristo@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

The GOA actually goes to court, same with the FPC. Big win from the NAGR regarding frt triggers. Basically all these other groups actually do stuff to protect the rights of firearms owners while the NRA just sits there collecting money and dust while at the same time supporting restrictions on guns for law abiding citizens. When is the last time the NRA has done something that isn't "compromise" with authoritarians who want to take our rights away? It's been a long time

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago

I remember seeing a lot of them cheering on the Indiana law that specifically legalized shooting cops that enter w/o a warrant after a (messy) court case:

IND. CODE § 35-41-3-2 (2012)

Sec. 2. (a) In enacting this section, the general assembly finds and declares that it is the policy of this state to recognize the unique character of a citizen's home and to ensure that a citizen feels secure in his or her own home against unlawful intrusion by another individual or a public servant….The purpose of this section is to provide the citizens of this state with a lawful means of carrying out this policy.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yeah the right to bear arms here is more like the right for cops to shoot you for their own mistake. Similar to how "right to work" is more like right for employers to fire you whenever and however.

[–] Tower@lemm.ee 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"At will" is the employment one regarding being able to be terminated without cause (as long as it's not for a protected reason). "Right to work" is the one about not being required to join a union. But still, your point is valid.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Thanks for the clarification, I thankfully have to worry about neither as a Canadian.

[–] imsufferableninja@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

right to work means you can't be forced to join a union. at-will employment is the right for employers to fire you whenever and however. fyi.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Gotta love 'Murica giving employers two ways to fuck their workers.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

I'm no fan of 2A at this point but I will say opinions on this are more mixed among gun owners than you might think. A lot of people fucking dragged the NRA for not backing gun owners murdered by cops like Castile.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Moral of the story:

Don't wait for the cops to shoot you.

[–] JeremyHuntQW12@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago

Moral of the story :

Just because its legal doesn't mean its a good idea.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago

Moral of the story?

Don't live in the US

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The Constitution is meaningless anymore. Brownshirts, billionaires, and thugs run the show.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

🌎 👨‍🚀🔫👨‍🚀

[–] kevin2107@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Arm yourselfs