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    [–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 93 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    I'd like to use a Linux phone, but it has to run Android apps though. They Gotta find a way, else it's never gonna happen.

    [–] tal@lemmy.today 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

    It'd theoretically be possible to run a straight GNU/Linux tablet or laptop with a 5G cell modem for data, use SIP service and a GNU/Linux dialer, and then run Waydroid for any specific Android apps that one has to run.

    Idle power usage is gonna be a lot higher than on a phone, though.

    And a lot of Android apps are made with a touch interface and small screen in mind and are aware of things in a cell environment, like "only update X when on WiFi". Not really common for GNU/Linux software to do that.

    [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    like “only update X when on WiFi”.

    Most Linux software only updates when the user tells the package manager to update it.>

    [–] Colloidal@programming.dev 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I think you're misunderstanding it. Most mobile apps have sensible defaults regarding data and battery usage, for instance, not updating (their feeds/server status/whatever networked service the app uses) if not in WiFi.

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    [–] tal@lemmy.today 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    I'm talking about stuff like pulling down new podcast episodes and such.

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    [–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)
    [–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    It'd theoretically be possible to run a straight GNU/Linux tablet or laptop

    "GNU/Linux" is the full way to say what sometimes gets shortened to "Linux"


    a family of operating systems based on the Linux kernel and a lot of software from the GNU project. This explicitly distinguishes it from Android, which also used the Linux kernel.

    The former is not, in 2025, typically used to run smartphones. The latter is the most-common smartphone operating system in the world. If you buy a smartphone that isn't an Apple smartphone, it almost certainly runs Android.

    with a 5G cell modem for data

    5G is the current generation of cell phone radio protocols. Communicating directly via voice over this protocol is not something that I believe is available to GNU/Linux in 2025. However, it can send non-voice data.

    , use SIP service

    SIP is a protocol for running voice over a data connection to the Internet. If you have an Internet connection, you can use SIP. There are companies, SIP service providers, which will, for a fee, provide a phone number at which one may be called or call others from a computer that can make use of SIP.

    and a GNU/Linux dialer,

    A dialer is the piece of software that on a smartphone, a user would probably call something like "the phone app".

    and then run Waydroid for any specific Android apps that one has to run.

    Waydroid is a piece of software to run Android apps on a GNU/Linux system.

    Idle power usage is gonna be a lot higher than on a phone, though.

    Phone hardware and software has had a lot of work put into optimizing it for very low power usage. A larger device, like a laptop or tablet, will probably also have a larger battery, but it will consume more power as well.

    And a lot of Android apps are made with a touch interface

    Smartphones, due to physical space constraints in one's pocket, typically have an entire side be a touchscreen. They do not have a keyboard. In general, software optimized for this works somewhat differently from software optimized for use with a keyboard and mouse.

    Most GNU/Linux software is written with the intent that it be used on a system that almost certainly has a mouse and keyboard available. Most Android software is written with the intent that it be used on a system with a touchscreen available.

    This means that even if one can run GNU/Linux software on a phone, much of the (large) collection of GNU/Linux software available will not be designed with an interface ideal for use on a phone.

    and small screen in mind and are aware of things in a cell environment, like "only update X when on WiFi". Not really common for GNU/Linux software to do that.

    Smartphones have two widely-used mechanisms of accessing the Internet


    connecting to the often slower cell network, or to a much-shorter range, but faster, WiFi network. Many people connect their smartphone to a WiFi network at some times and a cell network at others. Because this is so common, a lot of Android software has behavior designed to support this and act more-appropriately, like having an option to only transfer lots of data when on a WiFi netwprk. This is not the case for most GNU/Linux software.

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    [–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago
    [–] potatoguy@potato-guy.space 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Waydroid with a ROM with GAPPS? I use lineageos on my linux tablet, a lot of android games run just fine.

    [–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Wait... can you please explain?

    [–] potatoguy@potato-guy.space 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    Waydroid is a android translator(?) for linux on wayland, it runs android applications in a translation layer (android has linux under it), so you can install a ROM (there's a default one without google applications like google play services, but you can search a ROM with it) and run android applications like any phone with a custom ROM.

    Edit: The tablet with waydroid running:

    tablet

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    [–] MrMobius@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    A program like Wine, but to run Android apps on a Linux machine would be great. It would use a lot less battery power than a virtual machine.

    [–] iturnedintoanewt@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    You mean...waydroid? It's literally a translation layer running on a container, AFAIK. Then you can add an additional ARM emulation plugin for specific apps that don't have x86 versions.

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    [–] LeTak@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    SailfishOS can do that. They have a sandbox for android that you should not really notice as a end user.

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    [–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I'm always surprised more people still don't know about it but FuriLabs does have an offering which I've heard does this pretty well: https://furilabs.com/shop/flx1/

    And some more info. (albeit, 9 months old): https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1fa1ljn/furilabs_flx1/

    It is using Halium but, otherwise, it's proper GNU+Linux with decent spec.s.

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    [–] cm0002@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    It's never going to be the year of the Linux phone until there's one that actually has specs to do the things the majority of people want

    Thus far, all the Linux phones I've seen had laughable specs. There's the Liberux NEXX, but it's still at the concept stage

    [–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
    [–] otacon239@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Step one is making it exist, step 2 is making it marketable and scalable. Expecting this for competitive pricing in the early stages is unrealistic. Until there’s a real market for truly open phones pushed with millions in marketing to go along with competitive hardware that takes ages to develop, the well-priced phone will remain laden with unauthorized changes, tracking and advertising. This is all before you get software developers on board before it actually sells to people.

    Unless all you need are phone calls or text messaging. That could probably be done at a reasonable price. There’s probably already several decent projects out there to homebrew that.

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    [–] AspieEgg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Way back when, I had a Palm Pixie, which ran WebOS. While it wasn’t FOSS, if you turned on developer mode, you would have full terminal access to the Linux system it was running.

    I think HP eventually made it open source and now LG uses it for their TVs. But that phone’s OS was one of the best ones I had seen at the time.

    [–] turbowafflz@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

    WebOS, PalmOS, and Sailfish OS are the only mobile OSes I've ever not disliked. I wish Jolla seemed a little more trustworthy so I could switch to Sailfish as my main phone os

    [–] 01189998819991197253 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    The Palm Pre 2 was, by far, the best phone I have ever used in my life. Then HP abandoned it, like they did everything else worthwhile.

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    [–] olafurp@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I'm very open to being an early adopter of mobile Linux phones. I've been unable to because of a couple of factors. I last seriously checked about half a year ago so take this with a pinch of salt.

    • Limited support for specific models. This means that the phone will work as a computer but won't have the correct drivers for gyro, sim and whatnot.
    • Lack of extensive driver support. Phones turn off components to save power, this was not supported the last time I checked and halves the battery life compared to stock android.
    • Waydroid support incomplete. Many apps will work but some apps will bug out. Waydroid also has performance issues so it's not as good as WINE for example.
    • Not big enough community. A lot of models are maintained by a single dev that checks in every blue moon.

    To get a Linux phone to be competitive on performance we'll need to get driver APIs and component lists open sourced so it'll be easier to gather the appropriate info and make drivers.

    There has been tons of progress though, Gnome and KDE have really strong touch support now and the apps scale decently.

    It's coming but now fairphone is the only phone that openly supports Linux mobile distros and is open sourced.

    [–] Coolkat@jlai.lu 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Lack of extensive driver support. Phones turn off components to save power, this was not supported the last time I checked and halves the battery life compared to stock android.

    The lack of extensive driver support is real, but I've actually doubled my battery's power with Lineage OS just by removing bloatware

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    [–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I’m very open to being an early adopter of mobile Linux phones.

    vs

    the rest of your post

    What you are trying to say is you are very open to be a late adopter of mobile Linux phones, adopting a Linux phone when it actually works.

    Early adopters are those who tough out the crap. The issue with Linux phones is they've been stuck in early adopter land for the last 20 years.

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    [–] kokesh@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    When I first saw this... This is like a very very bad free Android icon pack. Makes the phone straight unusable. Can you actually switch to the normal "theme"? My wife unfortunately has an iPhone and I, as an IT guy in the family, usually get blamed for OS updates on her phone, whenever something becomes different. This won't go down easily :)

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    [–] Kronusdark@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

    iOS developer here and I would switch in a heartbeat but unfortunately it’s not about the OS, it’s about the software that runs on the OS.

    Most devs wont build for an OS that doesn’t have an audience. And users will put up with a lot of OS junk for their apps.

    So it’s gonna be up to someone to make a linux phone and use their wallet to kickstart a software ecosystem. One won’t happen without the other, at least not at the scale of Google or Apple.

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    [–] WeLoveCastingSpellz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I am writing this comment on an ubuntu touch phone, it is very usable surprisingly, been on it for months now

    [–] Turret3857 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Are you in the US? If yes, which band (GSM/CDMA) and which phone? Ive been wanting to get off of pixels & Android for ages but I'm scared of not being able to actually use my phone as a phone.

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    [–] lefixxx@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    I am so considering starting to experiment with an Linux phone. But it will be a long time until it can do contactless payments, bank apps, safe biometrics and heavy apps. Now that I think about it,it shouldn't be impossible.

    [–] LeTak@feddit.org 7 points 1 week ago

    SailfishOS (on Sony Xperia 10) and UbuntuTouch exist. Also the PinePhone but that is low low end.

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    [–] Mynameisallen@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Unfortunately American, meaning Linux phones need to have VOLTE for them to you know, be phones. Until then I'm stuck on grapheneOS

    [–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    My OnePlus 6 in mobian supports VoLTE calls.

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    [–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 7 points 1 week ago

    I don't use voice anyway - everything I do is through an app.

    Check out jmp.chat - they route everything, your voice calls and SMS, through XMPP. So voice calls are VOIP. I don't even have conventional voice service with them.

    [–] can@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Is that actually what it looks like?

    [–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    i think that's the new apple os

    [–] can@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but are they serious with this shit? This is the liquid glass?

    [–] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    *liquid▶️ass

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    [–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)
    [–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Apple’s godawful new OS style. They call it “Liquid Glass” and it makes no UX sense.

    [–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    How are yous upposed to seeanything ?

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    [–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 6 points 1 week ago

    You mean Dhar Mann's "Kids insult chef's pastry, INSTANTLY REGRET IT"?!

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