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As others have already commented, not everyone can just leave. Also, if we could all leave, who would take so many USA immigrants?
Must be nice to be financially stable enough to run away.
I don't know your story or your financial situation.
It is a sad reality that in the US there are literally millions who probably can't leave even if it was life or death. But i feel like your comment directs your anger and pain towards those who are in at the very least a similar boat to you. Considering that she is an academic, I doubt she is rich, probably middle class at best. The billionaires stole from you, she is probably a victim of this system just like you.
She is lucky to be able to leave, but realistically she is probably just putting a much bigger weight on this issue than most and I would guess that she sees this as a life or death situation. I think that in a life or death situation, most people can afford to leave to Canada, this isn't that crazy nor does it cost a fortune. It is true that not all people can, but I'm pretty sure that by far most can.
An academic who's job is is to know these things is spending the money to do it. That's the take away here. They're the Canary in the Coal Mine.
Why would she flee to Canada? If she knows what happened in 1930s Germany then she knows what happened to their neighbours a few years later, right?
Suppose she can keep running
"I'm affluent with the privilege & means to escape when I know it's going to go bad &, trust me, it's going to get bad.
Anyways, good luck, suckers!"
She's using her position to educate, raise awareness, and validate the alarm several people are feeling. This is possibly the most impactful thing she can do at the moment. She is standing up and pointing out fascism. I guess she could stay after having done that, but then you get people going "if it's so bad then why don't you leave?!" And then she's at even more risk of being disappeared. She is uprooting her family and life and in the process displaying how sincerely she believes that we're headed down the wrong path. Is she doing it for her own benefit, yea, sure, but this article imho is more impactful than her going to a protest. I've sent it to some of my more normie friends already because we were just talking about this and they really don't realize how bad things are already. They think I'm fear mongering. This article might help people realize what the reality is and take direct action that they didn't think was necessary at this point. Is it cowardly to leave? Maybe. But she didn't have to speak out, she could have left quietly, but she chose to make a statement. That's more than a lot of people will end up doing, regardless of if they stay or not.
This, exactly. And running to Canada. Like fleeing the coming Nazi Germany by emigrating to Poland. Congratulations, you accomplished almost nothing.
Almost nothing? Canada might be sliding itself but I'm pretty sure it's still way safer than the US
I think the Poland reference was insinuating that the US might invade Canada.
Yeah, I get that, but being jewish in nazi germany was safer than being jewish in poland until the invasion. Which we don't have a crystal ball to predict would happen to canada. Seems unlikely.
She did her part by educating us and it's obvious she'll be among the first to be targeted. It only makes sense that she should flee.
I, for one, am grateful that she spoke the truth in that NYT opinion piece.
Right? I don’t get people here mocking her for leaving. The first people to be removed or “disappeared” in fascists states are the bogeymen “others” - the foreigners, the ones that are easy targets and can’t fight back. The next ones are the obvious liberal dissenters. First the regular people, the scientists and liberal teachers, the students, then the liberal politicians. The smart people are always targeted.
She seemed to be saying that what had happened then, in Germany, could happen now, in Donald Trump’s America – and that anyone tempted to accuse her of hyperbole or alarmism was making a mistake.
I'd argue that it IS happening already
That's a shit lesson to take from 33. My takeaway is don't let the brown shirts win. I'm not running from my country with my tail between my legs.
Fascists can fuck off, in fact ~~70~~ 7 millions just assembled to say just that.
Edit: I didn't think staying in my country of birth and fighting for freedom and decency would be such a hot button issue.
To all of you who felt the need to be condescending I'd just say tighten up and show some backbone. Real disappointing. So you may be shot and sent to a gulag. You wouldn't be the first, probably not the last. Try not to let fear and righteousness dictate your feelings.
From the numbers that I have seen spread through social media, they were saying 12.1 million people showed up for the No King protest.
I’m not running from my country with my tail between my legs.
That sounds cool if your objective is to collect likes on social media. However, her objective is to save herself and her family from what’s coming. As "an academic specialising in the history and culture of eastern Europe," she knows very well what it is. Only an ignorant and arrogant prick could say what you said.
If all the good guys leave then you lose your country though
What if everyone just left Poland during ww2? There wouldn't be a Poland today
Nah, the Polish resistance was slaughtered by the Soviets anyways:
Most soldiers of the Home Army (including those who took part in the Warsaw Uprising) were persecuted after the war; captured by the NKVD or UB political police. They were interrogated and imprisoned on various charges, such as that of fascism.[226][227] Many of them were sent to Gulags, executed or disappeared.
Poland remained occupied for 45 years after WW2 and was forcibly "shifted" to the West causing millions of Polish people to be deported from their homes in the East.
The best decision any Pole could have made for themselves, their family and even their country was to flee. You won't do anything for Poland if you die as a slave in Siberia.
If you read the rest of the article, she addresses that. She doesn't believe that she is personally brave enough to physically confront what is coming, so for her, the choice is get out now while she can and be vocal.
Not sure where your getting that 70 million number, but according to Wikipedia it was some 5 million.
Not to criticize, but I think it’s important not to spread inaccuracies and over inflate turnout numbers like a certain someone likes to do.
Edit: Lemmy post with final count numbers on attendance. Looks like it’s a bit larger than initially thought, which is fantastic!
Another takeaway from that article: 7 of the top 10 were during Trump's presidency.
dang. what happened to the 11 million estimate i read about yesterday?
Depends on source.
Need about 11M to reach the supposed 3.5% "rule" which is near what 50501 was self-reporting.
Traditional media was reporting 5M to start and has slowly added more.
The Nazis did eventually lose, but look what it took to do it. Millions of people died on both sides. The best defense is to not allow them any power, but they already control the most powerful military in the history of the world.
At this point, leaving is a credible option, if you have it. Unfortunately, unless you are wealthy, have a large business, or are incredibly intelligent in a field they want, most of us won't be welcome any where else.
The brown shirts have the keys to the kingdom, and so there's no easy way to get rid of them. By my count they've already won, and will be able to do a depressing amount of damage before anyone could hope to stop them. If you're a vulnerable group who has the opportunity to leave and isn't ready to die fighting, leaving is the safest bet.
I mean that's certainly fair, but with the vast majority of America either supporting the fascists or dragging its feet (cue "we can't give them an excuse to do a fascism!!!!") "fuck this shit I'm outta here" is, honestly, pretty valid.