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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

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Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 43 points 6 days ago (1 children)

God damn, people. Didn't masked ICE agents snatch the New York City Comptroller and the migrant who had showed up for a hearing from the center of a heavily policed immigration court? Did anyone on the NYPD try and stop them?

You can see a local police officer in the fucking headline image. He's holding back the press and letting masked ICE agents do as thou wilt. If the local PD won't stick their necks out for a municipal senior official, what are the odds they're going to do it for you?

This, after a sitting US Senator was arrested during a press conference? Who are you fooling?

[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Still recommending it because if the pigs show up and kill the pigs everyone wins.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

That's not how it works. If local cops show up, they only assist ICE. The NYPD in this photo were Brad Lander's (Elected official being kidnapped) entourage. When ICE turned on him, they held the press back from ICE and then the senior member of their group cooperated with ICE and left the building alongside them and Lander. No asking for ID, no asking for a warrant from them, zero resistance, only assistance.

If the Dems want to actually exercise their right to resist a kidnapping they should be showing up with private security, or exercising their own 2A rights (Something that pretty much only politicians and friends of cops can do in NYC because NYPD gets constitutionally-questionable veto power on gun permits). But I'm guessing that is exactly what the Trump regime is waiting for. They will send in the national guard once that happens.

[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Good comment . I was being too flippant.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Didn't they already send in the national guard and marines into L.A.? I don't think he feels the need to wait for us to actually start shooting these thugs.

[–] WarmSoda@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Great point

[–] postcapitalism@lemmy.today 19 points 6 days ago

The real answer is anytime you see ICE acting extra-judicially call the police to report masked armed men trespassing and assaulting people.

Be vague. You don’t know who they are, they look suspicious, they look like they are about to commit a crime, this could be an active shooter/crime in progress , pointed a gun at you…. You know facts.

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Normally I'm not the guy to say it, but if you don't own a gun, you may want to change that.

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

...if you live in the US. If you live elsewhere, please don't own a gun. We really don't want to get that snowball rolling.

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Do you think people outside of the US should worry about ICE kidnapping them off the street?

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

Absolutely not, but american trends have a thing for affecting the rest of the world. There are a lot of conflicts around in Europe as well, which could make people seek ways to protect themselves and their families. And I hope that introducing guns as some household item is not something that happens in Europe anytime soon.

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Good luck with that argument.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Good luck getting a gun in most places

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[–] UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

You ever notice how they stand with their hands covering their badges and name plates?

[–] no_username@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

domestic terrorism

If they don't adjust the things attached to their vests to hang over their identifying patches and badges. I have seen a bunch where they just have something that hangs over them.

[–] onesixone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago (3 children)

How does this post even make sense in this community? literally written in the sidebar:

The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is a SLIGHTLY different case than what the sidebar mentions.

Yes, asking asking the police to investigate themselves is a non-starter.

This post is advocating turning the state/local police against ICE, a federal agency.

I agree, it's unlikely to make a difference. But if you call 9-1-1 and report "Masked men in an unmarked car just kidnapped someone", it's way different from asking internal affairs to investigate another cop.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This post is advocating turning the state/local police against ICE, a federal agency.

More than 600 local police agencies are partnering with ICE: See if yours is one of them

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 2 points 6 days ago

They use FUD against us.
Perhaps we can too?

Nah who'm I kidding
The ICE and Police are more organised while kidnapping people than they would be when trying to arrest an actual criminal.

[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I love living in Illinois.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So, just generating reports?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Establishing a paper trail for subsequent investigations, yes.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)
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[–] ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

When an employee is investigated by hr that’s the company investigating itself and people get fired that way.

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[–] andybytes@programming.dev 4 points 6 days ago
[–] PlagueShip@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

And if they won't show proof of being police, bite the face. It really makes them think twice.

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