Holding security updates hostage is a sicko business strategy. I hope the EU sues them for it.
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Microsoft gonna send someone to smash your kneecaps for talking like this. They are shaking their nice guy image and going full gangster pimp.
ESU is inherently bullshit. So they're going to make security upgrades for the OS millions of people are using, but you only get them if you pay? Even though they're committing dev time to make and deploy them, the SECURITY upgrades to the OS yhat millions have already paid for?
What a grift. Either you're paying ESU and there's no dev work (free moneyyy!) or it's literally a 'protection fee' for dev work they're doing anyway (nyeehhh nice PC ye got there, be a shame if we extorted you for it)
I just wish to compliment Microsoft on them accurately prophesying that Windows 10 would be my last windows.
They want your data, your money and your PC.
But hey, you get 1000 .... "Points"?
You have to spend 1000 points to get the updates.
What's the conversion ratio of Microsoft Points to Schrute Bucks?
Getting a discount to hand over your data into their cloud so they can train their AIs on it? And hold you hostage in case you dare to switch the OS?
Classic enshittification, they're stealing from Google this should be copyright stricken.
Microsoft can die in a fire
I switched to Linux last year. I’m just a teacher but I’ve got pretty good techy skills having grown up in the late 80s with computers. Switching to Linux gave me some small problems at first, but everything works just fine for me. My husband’s been pretty curious seeing me have fun with it and mess around on my computer more. Maybe I’ll get him to switch one day too! 🙃
I use Linux, it's FREE!
Windows Homs is free, too.
But here's the thing that many people (not you) don't understand. Windows Home is free, as in beer. Linux is free, as in speech, AND free, as in beer.
Windows Home isn't free (legally), you can't just install it and have a valid license available without paying money. Most people think Windows is free because you're paying for the license when you buy a prebuilt, you're just not seeing the line item cost.
But either way, Home is a trash fire. At least Pro lets you control more of the annoying aspects of the OS. Home you're just opening up for whatever MS wants to shove down your throat. And even then, just run linux. That's actually free, and a better experience.
Download the iso and install home. It won't stop you, ask for a key, or attempt to activate later. It just installs, runs, and spies happily.
But, yes, I suppose that you're supposed to pay for it, but they don't seem to care that much, if at all.
I agree that Windows Pro is a slightly better experience than Windows Home, but the right Linux distro for you is where it's at. I usually recommend Mint for newcomers, and not one has had issues (beyond the expected "this looks different" comments). I've installed Elementary for one person who came from a life of Mac, and she dove right in with almost no hiccups. Know your audience, I guess is the lesson here lol
Download the iso and install home. It won't stop you, ask for a key, or attempt to activate later. It just installs, runs, and spies happily.
Well sure, anything is free when you steal it. Whether or not they care enough to come after home users, doesn't change the fact that it's not free.
But yea, know your audience and give them something they can use. I made my mother learn mint after the 80th time I had to clean the windows box, and she did well enough with it.
I meant to download from the official Microsoft site.
Kudos on getting your mum on Linux! I was unable to keep mine on it : /
Maybe I'm missing something, but this is from the "Download Windows 11 Disk Image (ISO) for x64 devices" section from the official Microsoft site, but I don't see any option to buy or mention of it:
Before you begin downloading an ISO Make sure you have:
- An internet connection (internet service provider fees may apply).
- Sufficient data storage available on the computer, USB, or external drive you are downloading the .iso file to.
- A blank DVD disc with at least 8GB (and DVD burner) to create a bootable disc. We recommend using a blank USB or blank DVD, because any content on it will be deleted during installation.
- If you receive a “disc image file is too large” message while attempting to burn a DVD bootable disc from an ISO file, consider using a higher capacity Dual Layer DVD.
This stinks of their enterprise practices. They are masters of creating extremely confusing plans for pricing that involve bundling, discounts for various combinations, etc. In the end, you get a fat ass bill at the end of every month. When you ask them to explain it, they will say that this component was generated by one team, another by a different...
You will never get a straight answer and if you do, it will take weeks. By then you have another bill and you get to start all over.
I am so over Microsoft and their bullshit. I don't use any of their shit at home and I actively remove anything I can of theirs at work. Punting Defender out of our environment was my best day ever.
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Windows is just a gotcha game now lmao
eat shit and maybe I'll consider watching you eat more.
Dormammu! I’ve come to bargain.
How about "fuck you"?
no thanks microsoft
So windows 10 isn't EOL'd in October 2025 after all.
It is, u less you pay more
They've always said that extended support would be available. It's like this with every single enterprise product. Red Hat Linux, VMware, etc all do it.
I'm all for circle jerking against Microsoft, they fucking suck. But this particular example is just such a dumb thing to get on a soapbox about. Businesses can't be expected to indefinitely support a piece of technology for free. Some Linux distros can do it because people volunteer their time and skills to do so. But that isn't feasible for a business to just pay dozens of developers to continuously work on a product that isn't actively pulling in revenue.
Businesses can’t be expected to indefinitely support a piece of technology for free.
Of course not but they themselves announced long ago that win10 will be EOL'd in October 2025. Then later they announced that you can buy extra support for plenty and increasing amounts of money. And now this.
Though even longer ago they announced that win10 will be the last windows ever.
They never said Win 10 would be the last ever. That was an off-handed comment made by one of the developers during an interview that the media spread as an official Microsoft statement, which it wasn't.
And yes, MS said the EOL was October 2025, but anyone that's familiar with any of Microsoft's previous software sunsets know that they always offer paid extended support. For example, Windows Server 2012R2 was sunset in what, 2023sh? But they offer paid extended support up to sometime in 2026.
If we want to get even more pedantic (which I thoroughly enjoy lol), we can even point out that Nixon used the phrase "last version of windows" to mean the "latest version" or "the last version to have been released to date".
This is in a similar grammatical sense as staying "last week" or "last Wednesday". Last week wasn't the last week to have ever existed. Last Wednesday wasn't the last Wednesday to have ever existed, either. And windows 10 wasn't the last windows version to ever be released... it was just the latest (or, "last") version as of the time Nixon said it.
- Reads this on his iOS phone
- While playing modern games on fedora workstation 42
- While all my backups and containers run on a synology nas
- with a literal blank 2nd hard drive that used to have windows 10 on it but now has nothing
- while his computer illiterate wife uses her hp laptop just fine with linux
Ya… Go f yourself Microsoft. You used to be the cool kid in town. Now you’re trash.
I'm sorry to disagree. I've been using Microsoft crap since the days where you had to free up memory in config.sys to load Novell Netware drivers, and never has Microsoft been the cool kid in town. It was always the fat bastard bully kid that would beat and extort the other kids.
LOL
I’ve been using it that long too, and I suppose you’re right.
Pretty sure most people are just looking forward to Windows no longer begging to reboot or just doing it when you turn your back for two seconds.
"Meta launches new sponsor hand-branding app"
Me: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"Gmail uses AI to contact debt collectors when it looks like you may not pay on time."
Me: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
"Microsoft randomly kills 100 users' children per day until demands are met"
Me: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Me:
Or just switch to Linux and run windows on a virtual machine?!
till
'til
FTLoG
"Till" is completely valid synonym of until. "'Til" is an informal contraction (and was probably meant to be the actual word "till"). If you're gonna be aggressively prescriptive, at least pick an actual battlefield instead of attacking innocent folks.
I didn't realize they provide security update to Fedora lol
They're scramble hard right now.
When I see stories like this, what annoys me the most, is that people are still dumb enough to use Microsoft, and proprietary software in general.
Calling people dumb for using an insanely popular product is pretty unnecessary. Some grandma just playing solitaire on her old PC that she uses to pay bills and whatnot on and you walk by, "you dumbass, use Linux instead!"
Yes, because some grandma is exactly the kind of people I meant. And not her stupid children or friends who might have helped her with a Linux system instead. /s
My guess is you are just butthurt, because you are part of the problem, and not the solution.
It's not because they're dumb, it's because it's easy and because it's the OS a computer comes with (with the tiny exception of some systems where you can choose linux).