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[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 162 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (30 children)

I had my energy company remove their LVTC smart meter this week after they started using it to shut off our condenser unit during our 100 degree days

The fact that it exists at all is bad enough, but they were doing this at a time when our AC was already malfunctioning due to low refrigerant. On the day they first shut it off, our house reached 94 degrees.

The program that the previous owner signed up for that enabled them to do this gave them a fucking two dollar a month discount.

I use a smart thermostat to optimize my home conditioning - having a second meter fucking with my schedule ends up making us all miserable. Energy providers need to stop fucking around and just build out their infrastructure to handle worst case peak loads, and enable customers to install solar to reduce peak loading to begin with.

The other thing that kills me about this is that our provider administers our city's solar electric subsidy program themselves. When i had them come out to give us a quote, they inflated their price by more than 100% because they knew what our electricity bill was. All they did was take our average monthly bill and multiplied it by the repayment period. I could have been providing them more energy to the grid at their peak load if they hadn't tried scamming me.

FUCK private energy providers.

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

How tf can a meter shut of an applience? Did you also have smart breakers from them?

Anyway absolutely ridiculous

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 2 weeks ago

It's separate from the main meter and connected directly at the condenser unit.

It monitors power draw and acts as a relay when the provider sends a shutoff signal. The thermostat thinks the system is still going, and the fans still push air through the vents, but the coils aren't being cooled anymore so the air gets hot and musty.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 87 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, that thing that nobody wanted? Everybody has to have it. Fuck corporations and capitalism.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Just like screens in cars, and MASSIVE trucks. We don't want this. Well, some dumbass Americans do, but intelligent people don't need a 32 ton 6 wheel drive pickup to haul jr to soccer.

[–] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 weeks ago

Massive trucks? They need those trucks for truck stuff, like this giant dilhole parking with his wife to go to Aldi today. Not even a flag on the end of that ladder, it filled a whole spot by itself.

My couch wouldn't fit in that bed, and every giant truck I see is sparkling shiny and looks like it hasn't done a day of hard labor, much like the drivers.

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[–] VetOfTheSeas@discuss.online 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, and you don't want it and want the stupid model? You can still buy it for 3x the price.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 81 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Worse is Google that insists on shoving a terrible AI-based result in your face every time you do a search, with no way to turn it off.

I'm not telling these systems to generate images of cow-like girls, but I'm getting AI shoved in my face all the time whether I want it or not. (I don't).

[–] stefenauris@pawb.social 29 points 2 weeks ago

Then I guess it's time to stop using Google!

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

And including the word "fuck" in your query no longer stops it.

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[–] jjmoldy@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I am trying to understand what Google's motivation for this even is. Surely it is not profitable to be replacing their existing, highly lucrative product with an inferior alternative that eats up way more power?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Their motivation is always ads. The ai response is longer and takes time to read so more time looking at their ads. If the answer is sufficient, you might not even click away to the search result.

AI is a potential huge bonanza to search sites, letting them suck up the ad revenue that used to goto the search results

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 78 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Also they can build nuclear power generators for the data centers but never for the residential power grid.

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[–] johnyreeferseed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 66 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Meanwhile I'm down town I'm my city cleaning windows in office buildings that are 75% empty but the heat or ac is blasting on completely empty floors and most of the lights are on.

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 58 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When I’m told there’s power issues and to conserve power I drop my AC to 60 and leave all my lights on. Only way for them to fix the grid is to break it.

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 17 points 2 weeks ago

Literally rolling coal to own the cons

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (12 children)

Let’s do the math.

Let’s take an SDXl porn model, with no 4-step speed augmentations, no hand written quantization/optimization schemes like svdquant, or anything, just an early, raw inefficient implementation:

https://www.baseten.co/blog/40-faster-stable-diffusion-xl-inference-with-nvidia-tensorrt/#sdxl-with-tensorrt-in-production

So 2.5 seconds on an A100 for a single image. Let’s batch it (because that’s what’s done in production), and run it on the now popular H100 instead, and very conservatively assume 1.5 seconds per single image (though it’s likely much faster).

That’s on a 700W SXM Nvidia H100. Usually in a server box with 7 others, so let’s say 1000W including its share of the CPU and everything else. Let’s say 1400W for networking, idle time, whatever else is going on.

That’s 2 kJ, or 0.6 watt hours.

…Or about the energy of browsing Lemmy for 30-60 seconds. And again, this is an high estimate, but also a fraction of a second of usage for a home AC system.


…So yeah, booby pictures take very little energy, and the usage is going down dramatically.

Training light, open models like Deepseek or Qwen or SDXL takes very little energy, as does running them. The GPU farms they use are tiny, and dwarfed by something like an aluminum plant.

What slurps energy is AI Bros like Musk or Altman trying to brute force their way to a decent model by scaling out instead of increasing efficiency, and mostly they’re blowing that out of proportion to try the hype the market and convince them AI will be expensive and grow infinitely (so people will give them money).

That isn’t going to work very long. Small on-device models are going to be too cheap to compete.

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/2kc978dg

So this is shit, they should be turning off AI farms too, but your porn images are a drop in the bucket compared to AC costs.


TL;DR: There are a bazillion things to flame AI Bros about, but inference for small models (like porn models) is objectively not one of them.

The problem is billionaires.

[–] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I don’t disagree with you but most of the energy that people complain about AI using is used to train the models, not use them. Once they are trained it is fast to get what you need out of it, but making the next version takes a long time.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Only because of brute force over efficient approaches.

Again, look up Deepseek's FP8/multi GPU training paper, and some of the code they published. They used a microscopic fraction of what OpenAI or X AI are using.

And models like SDXL or Flux are not that expensive to train.

It doesn’t have to be this way, but they can get away with it because being rich covers up internal dysfunction/isolation/whatever. Chinese trainers, and other GPU constrained ones, are forced to be thrifty.

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[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 32 points 2 weeks ago

Crossposted to fuck ai community

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

We're going away folks, and nothing of any true value will be lost, except all the species that did live in homeostasis with the Earth that we're taking with us in our species' avarice induced murder-suicide

[–] millie@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Carlin had some good material, but this is an absolutely stupid mindset. We can cause an extreme level of ecological damage. Will the planet eventually recover? Quite possibly. But that's not a certainty, and in the mean time we're triggering a mass extinction precisely because irresponsible humans figure there's no way we can hurt the Earth and it's self-important hubris to think that we can.

But the time we're living through and the time we're heading into are all the proof we should need that it's actually hubris to assume our actions have no meaningful impact.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Immediate to Short-Term (Days to Centuries)

  • Hours to weeks: Power grids fail; nuclear reactors melt down without maintenance[11].
  • Months to decades: Urban areas flood as drainage systems fail; buildings decay from weather and plant growth[6][11].
  • 100–300 years: Steel structures collapse; concrete buildings crumble[5][7]. Most cities become overgrown forests[6].

Medium-Term (Thousands of Years)

  • 1,000 years: Visible surface structures (e.g., roads, monuments) are buried or eroded. Plastics fragment but persist chemically[5][7].
  • 10,000–250,000 years: Nuclear isotopes (e.g., plutonium-239) remain detectable in sediments and ice cores[7]. Mining tunnels fill with sediment but leave identifiable "industrial fossils"[7].
  • 500,000 years: Microplastics and polymer layers in ocean sediments endure[5][10].

Long-Term (Millions of Years)

  • 1–7 million years: Fossils of humans and domesticated animals persist. Geological strata show elevated carbon levels and mass extinction markers[4][8]. Deep mines and landfills remain as distinct layers[7][10].
  • 50–100 million years: Continental drift subducts surface evidence; satellites decay or drift into space[3][10]. Only deep geological traces (e.g., mine shafts, isotope ratios) might endure[3][10].
  • 250 million years: Next predicted mass extinction eradicates all mammals, including any remaining human traces[9].

Near-Permanent Traces

  • Space artifacts: Lunar landers, Mars rovers, and Voyager probes persist for billions of years[3][10].
  • Radio signals: Human broadcasts travel through space indefinitely at light speed[5].

Key Factors

  • Detection likelihood: Aliens or future species could find traces for 100+ million years via deep geological analysis or space exploration[5][10].
  • Total erasure: Requires Earth's destruction (e.g., solar expansion in 5 billion years)[10].

Citations: [1] Human extinction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_extinction [2] What If Humans Suddenly Went Extinct? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuOKTZISXhc [3] How long would it take for all traces of humans to be gone? https://www.reddit.com/r/answers/comments/1azu120/how_long_would_it_take_for_all_traces_of_humans/ [4] What would happen to Earth if humans went extinct? https://www.livescience.com/earth-without-people.html [5] How long before all human traces are wiped out? https://www.newscientist.com/lastword/2215950-how-long-before-all-human-traces-are-wiped-out/ [6] Vanishing Act: What Earth Will Look Like 100 Years After Humans Disappear - Brilliantio https://brilliantio.com/if-people-dissapeared-what-will-happen-to-earth-in-100-years/ [7] If humans became extinct, how long would it take for all ... https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/if-humans-became-extinct-how-long-would-it-take-for-all-traces-of-us-to-vanish [8] Nature will need up to five million years to fill the gaps caused by man-made mass extinctions, study finds https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/mass-extinctions-five-million-years-nature-mammals-crisis-animal-plants-pnas-aarhus-a8585066.html [9] Humans Will Go Extinct on Earth in 250 Million Years; Mass Extinction Will Occur Sooner if Burning Fossil Fuels Continues [Study] https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/49951/20240430/humans-will-go-extinct-earth-250-million-years-mass-extinction.htm [10] How long would it take for all evidence of humanity to be ... https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/153618/how-long-would-it-take-for-all-evidence-of-humanity-to-be-erased-from-earth [11] What Would Happen If Every Human On Earth Just Disappeared? https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/life-like-humans-suddenly-disappeared.html

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[–] capuccino@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been trying to write this comment the more concise possible, I'm trying my best. "We're going away", yes, that's true. No matter what we are leaving this place, but, that doesn't mean that the last days of humanity have to be surrounded by pollution and trash. All I can get of that quote in the image is that we should let big companies shit on us till we die.

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[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

I have a crazy theory that requests like these will actually push people to care more about and take action on global warming.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

Laughs in total recall

[–] Numenor@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

we had three tiddied aliens in total recall, like 40 years ago. we don't need AI to give us more tits.

[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 15 points 2 weeks ago

we don't need … more tits.

Blasphemy!!

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago

Could someone please help me save some power and just post the image with the 5tits so I don't need to have it regenerated de novo?

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I tried to make an image of a woman with 5 tits but got distracted and got married to a rock

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[–] leftthegroup@lemmings.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Didn't some legislation come out banning making laws against AI? (which I realize is a fucking crazy sentence in the first place- nothing besides rights should just get immunity to all potential new laws)

So the cities aren't even the bad guys here. The Senate is.

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[–] crumbguzzler5000@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago

Can we not all just organise to go and shut these places down?

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

1 prompt is avg 1Wh of electricity -> typical AC runs avg 1,500 W = 2.4 seconds of AC per prompt.

Energy capacity is really not a problem first world countries should face. We have this solved and you're just taking the bait of blaming normal dudes using miniscule amounts of power while billionaires fly private jets for afternoon getaways.

[–] f314@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

They are blaming the billionaires (or their companies), for making the thing nobody wanted so they can make money off of it. The guy making a five-breasted woman is a side effect.

And sure, that one image only uses a moderate amount of power. But there still exists giant data centers for only this purpose, gobbling up tons of power and evaporating tons of water for power and cooling. And all this before considering the training of the models (which you better believe they’re doing continuously to try to come up with better ones).

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