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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 217 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I've been saying since 2016 that Sanders' executive orders alone would have moved the US further in the right direction than any president since LBJ.

The last six months of Donald Trump have proven that. The presidency has all the power any party needs if they actually want to do real good.

[–] Turret3857 138 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I think its hilarious how before Trumps 2nd term, the libshits would argue "but if they use executive orders to push through {legalization of abortion, marijuana, socialized healthcare, public transit, any number of good left leaning policies} the R's will do it back when theyre back in office!!

Now look where we are.

fucking libshits and MAGAts.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 75 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Yeah so Biden did an executive order to forgive student debt, it got challenged in the courts and so it didn't happen.

People saying "Democrats should just do executive orders like Trump does" need to look into who's on the Supreme Court.

The "do everything by EO" strat only works for a party that has had a loyal voting base for decades so they have control of the courts.

Sorry to interrupt the "both sides" narrative leftists/MAGAs love so much.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago

No, the real strat is to ram hundreds of EOs through so fast the courts don't have time to shoot them all down. And then, I dunno, drone strike the opposition and call it an official presidential act cause evidently that's cool now.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Exactly, it was all set up in the first term. They not only got the Supreme Court but also put in place a record number of judges across the country as well. They went for the throat, and everyone let them. Now you have corrupt people everywhere they need to do whatever they want, and also showed that even if they do get shot down, they still don't listen, and nothing happens, so whats the actual point?

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

It doesn't hurt to try though. Make them actually shoot the EOs down. Don't just assume they will so you do nothing. Force their hand.

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[–] match@pawb.social 29 points 1 week ago

we had better damn well put in a president who's gonna EO everything to the far left

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s still completely true. Not only that, Congress and SCOTUS can nullify any executive order.

[–] Turret3857 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

haha, yes they sure can. And they have! Look at how well its going!

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There are only "checks and balances" when all 3 branches of government are not fascist/corrupt.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, elder statesmen like Biden still believed in things like exercising power responsibly within the balance of power like many presidents before them.

That wasn't good enough, too many people took the "lesser evil" quote to heart. So now we have a dipshit writing EOs faster than the court system moves, and I hope there's a god to help the country get out of this.

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[–] cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sanders’ EOs with a conservative Supreme Court would have been unilaterally nullified. The conservative supermajority is what has allowed Trump to get away with the vast majority of this.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 60 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (31 children)

Sanders’ EOs with a conservative Supreme Court would have been unilaterally nullified.

If they'd run Sanders, they've had ended up with a Democratic supermajority. SCOTUS would have been largely irrelevant.

But it doesn't change facts. The powers of the presidency in the hands of an actual reformer, not a performative one like Biden or Obama, would have entailed true, fundamental change.

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That’s wholly incorrect. The only reason Trump’s executive orders have any power is due to the full majority support of the Republican-controlled Congress and the conservative SCOTUS.

Democrats forced a 15-day vote on the constitutionality of Trump’s initial purse-control power grab. The Republican majority redefined the entire congressional calendar as a single day, just to a valid holding the vote.

This amount of control comes from the abject loyalty of all three branches.

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[–] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 67 points 1 week ago

sorry LEFTISTS, I will let fascists fuck us all dead before I steer progress away from anything that isn't Obama-nostalgic capitalism. oh and I'm pretty sure I heard that commie say something about term limits so I'm going to make that all of yous' problem just for even considering it.

[–] CorruptCheesecake@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Jeb! is willing to overlook this transgression

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sorry, it's spelled JEB!

Your lack of enthusiasm has been logged. Please clap.

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

1! = 1
2! = 2
3! = 6
4! = 24
...
JEB! = +∞

[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago

Sorry but voters don't get a say in USA. They only can choose between the 2 that their bosses have chosen.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 35 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Imagine relentlessly defending attempts to appeal to red states and conservatives as a viable electoral strategy, and then refer to Sanders support on this map as 'empty land'.

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[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (8 children)

People should have voted in primaries, then. I did. Both times. Clearly not enough did.

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[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 week ago (3 children)

every comment in this thread along the lines of

“wElL yOu sHoUldVE vOtEd tHeN!!!1!”

fucking confounds me bc ig you guys either have a weird victim blaming kink or you have massively more faith in our electoral system’s veracity than i do.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Be a lot easier to discuss how well things worked if everyone participated.

[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago (6 children)

i honestly am skeptical of western media’s narrative that everyone is complacent and doesn’t give a fuck. i’ve met a lot of people. every single one of them gives some sort of a shit about politics. it feels like homegrown astroturfing to keep anything from ever actually coming to a head. keep people feeling alone and isolated, hopeless. if 60-80% of americans are complacent, don’t participate civically, and are actively disengaged from the political process… then where are these people? i should be seeing them in droves right? but i’m not, and neither is anyone i know. my network isn’t really geographically limited either. anecdotal evidence regardless, sure, but still suss imo.

i’ve seen the statistics and polls, the election results and non-participant ratio, you don’t need to share those sources with me.

idk, maybe i’m fucking crazy and a conspiracy theorist. a wise man once said that there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Why would the dems even want to win, when their co-workers are doing a much better job of passing the fascist policies that they all agree on? Why settle for kamalacaust when trump will go even further?

Death to the DNC never forget

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

why wouldn't they? Bernie's interests are aligned completely opposite to the interests of whatever groups that keep at least half of those democrats in their seats. That became much more clear when they happily voted no to Bernie's "ban weapon sale to Israel" motions.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Good question.

If Democrats were reasonable, objective people (which they are not), they'd probably look at the fact that the state of Missouri passed a $15 minimum wage, required paid sick leave, AND legalized abortion in the same election where they elected Republicans.

And then take that as a lesson of maybe what they should be doing in order to win back red states.

But they won't.

They're in the pocket of the rich and couldn't care less about people who work for a living.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Great, now we're doing "land votes" takes just like conservative boomers posting minion memes on Facebook.

I'm so glad to see that the 'left' isn't as fucking braindead as the ghouls on the right. /s

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

But the land does vote.

That's the whole issue with gerrymandering and the electoral college.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

You do see California all blue, right? That’s 10% of the population of the US, just right there.

California, New York, and Florida are in no way just land.

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[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Either Delaware has a population density to rival Kowloon Walled City, or this is a bit more than a "land votes" take

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