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[–] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 107 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I can't believe no one has commented this yet.

She's not going to say there's no list. She's going to say she has the list and it's conveniently going to contain all of trump's enemies .... probably including Obama.

[–] swemg@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] EpicFailGuy@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

because it's fake ... I'm implying the orange king boy rapist is going to offer her a pardon in exchange for lying under oath

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yup, they’re going to have her lie and then produce doctored documents with the name of political opponents and have them dragged off in unmarked vans

[–] Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why marked vans? WHen you can have your deranged supporters wearing a mask and a police outfit and make a wellness check at 2am in the morning...still can't believe that dude shot the dog too, what a piece of shit.

[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Only because ICE uses unmarked vans and they're basically his Gestapo

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

it's all jimmy carter's doing

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

We already know Trump was all over it. She doesn't have the list. She's been in a federal prison for 5 years.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

"she told us where she hid it"

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Either that or she'll tragically take her own life while the guards are on break and the cameras are down.

[–] Gaja0@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago

and cellmate transfered out

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 44 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Pardoning Maxwell would be an insanely bad idea. The MAGA world love two things more than anything else; conspiracy theories, and imagining themselves in an endless war against a cabal of powerful pedophiles.

Maxwell directly aided and abetted one of those powerful pedophiles. To MAGA, there is no possible justification for pardoning her. It would be tantamount to a full admission from Trump, and it would send their conspiracy addled minds into overdrive. At best (for him), they'd wonder what kind of leverage she has over Trump in order to buy herself a pardon. If not evidence of pedophilia, then surely something else, right?

Is Maxwell angling for a pardon? Almost certainly. But giving her one would be a suicidal move for the administration right now.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Well I mean bottom line is, it's a damned if he does damned if he doesn't situation.

She gets killed, that's insane fuel to the fire.

Trump pardons her... that's as good as admitting they are working together.

She actually tells what she knows, trumps fucked.

So... if you ask me based on a raw strategy... the DOJ is going to let the sweetheart deal appeal happen, and maxwell will comit perjury, say she happened to be in some of the places trump was, but never were that close and that trump always considered epstein a creep and kicked them out of marlago.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Even better for MAGA, they can have her lie and name a bunch of their favorite punching bags. Suddenly, the cabal will have been led by Obama, Biden, Sanders, AOC, George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, etc. It will fuel their rage.

Lots of everyday people won't believe it, of course. But that's the brilliance. Their MO is to attack the concept of objective truth. Throw enough bullshit accusations of participation in Epsteins's crimes out there, and the real perps will be shielded by the collective doubt surrounding any accusations of child rape.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

AOC is not a reasonable target. She never had money or power. I don't think anyone would believe Sanders. Everyone else I think is a possible target.

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[–] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

My MiL is deep MAGA. The only thing true is that whatever the outcome, she will regurgitate the Trump talking points. They could tell her Maxwell was a secret agent for Trump in the 90s, and she would buy it.

I don’t know if you’re close to anyone MAGA, but it is truly a blind cult. The Right just needs to find a palpable enough angle to spin.

I think more dangerous for this regime is other people know what’s on the list. She’s not the only one.

[–] Gowron_Howard@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

But will that stop them from supporting a 3rd term bid?

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Suicidal how? It's not like the modern republican party, at least those in congress, is likely to impeach their own president, and seeing as he's term limited, if Trump got another term, he would have had to throw out the constitution completely and unambiguously to do it, at which point he could simply throw out the "election" part too.

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[–] KittyCat@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The neat thing about pardons is if you accept one you lose your 5th amendment rights around the subject, and be compelled to testify.

[–] SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Something tells me an enabler of this level will have no problems with pesky moral hurdles like oaths or the truth.

[–] eletes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Testify in another court case or could congress subpoena her?

[–] anas@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

She’d be stupid to take any deal, she’ll be dead before the term is over, regardless of a possible pardon. He can’t risk her talking under a potential different government.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 17 points 4 days ago

Honestly I think different there... she's not dumb, she's got killer contacts, and she knows what happened to Epstein. In her shoes. I'd have used whatever I can to rig up a dead mans switch, then put pressure onto trump to get her out of there.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

He still has the problem of obviously pardoning a woman convicted of heinous crimes involving trafficking of young girls to facilitate Epstein.

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It wasn't a problem when he pardoned hundreds of violent traitors and insurrectionists.

It wasn't a problem when he himself was found guilty of SA and convicted of multiple felonies.

It wasn't a problem when he admitted he would like to bang his daughter.

It wasn't a problem when he said he could murder someone in broad daylight and not face any consequences.

Somehow I think this won't be a problem either.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 days ago

Yeah, it won't even be given the slightest consideration.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

sure but this appears to be the singular thing that will not go away no matter what. like they keep throwing completely random inane things to flood the zone, but it feels as though the zone is oversaturated and cant flood anymore

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 1 points 3 days ago
[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (2 children)

how is that a problem for him?... everybody already knows he is a rapist and convicted felon and Muricans still elected him president

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 4 points 3 days ago

Yep, either they actually voted for him or the votes were juiced (“No-one knows these machines better than Elon.”). Him obviously being a scumbag makes no difference in either of those scenarios.

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I'm responding the possibility of him doing so, as raised by others. If that's not a problem for him then neither is him being in the files, negating the need to pardon Maxwell.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It is one of my "old man yell at cloud" moment, but he doesn't give a shit. He has dodged every consequence of his actions until now. Why would that be different now?

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Then why would he do it in the first place?

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

He seems like more of a "can I?" than a "should I?" guy on the Ian Malcolm ethical spectrum.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Car accident on the way back to prison.

It's kinda weird they'd use a Tesla for prison transport.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 days ago

Apparently pardons don't need to made public and they could offer a pardon that takes effect on a future date. She's in a federal prison so they put her in some really nice conditions in club fed until that date.

So we won't know she was pardoned until she walks out of the prison.

[–] leftthegroup@lemmings.world 13 points 4 days ago (4 children)

There gotta be some kinda check on a president using a pardon when he is personally tied to the case.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It doesn't seem to matter even if there is.

The Republican Party doesn't want to impeach him. Some of Democrat Party do, but their efforts get squashed by the Republicans and the other half of their own party.

He can't be held personally accountable for abusing his power in this case either, thanks to SCrOTUS basically saying that official presidency acts are above the law.

[–] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Where the hell have you been? There’s been checks on everything this entire time but failing any of them doesn’t matter anymore.

[–] leftthegroup@lemmings.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It was more of a wishful comment

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[–] msprout@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I understand the cynicism, but, I actually think that GM knows what happened to Epstein. From reading interviews and her online presence, you can tell quickly that she is a very timid and fearful person in the face of all of this, but she also seems to display the usual sense of self-preservation that most of us have too.

I think she knows that she is at risk of being 'suicided' by speaking to the US government. I don't think Trump would get her to agree to say nothing happened and let her free, because if she is free and fucks off to Belize, she could still ruin his fucking life from 3,000 miles away.

Personally, I think that the situation we are looking at is that she knows that if she doesn't pipe up and drop more dirt, she WILL be silenced before that can happen. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibilities that GM has a dead-man's switch operating somewhere; for Christ's sake, she was the chief of staff of the world's largest and most elaborate sex trafficking and extortion ring.

Why would it be beyond the pale for her to have shipped a box of Epstein's hard drives from his Florida properties? They could easily have been shipped to some douche in another country who benefits from a trust for as long as they sit on that information, with instructions to release the documents online if GM is reported as dead.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

She's a spy master. Don't take anything for what you see.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I started seeing it differently the second I realised she was Robert Maxwell's daughter.

That guy was dodgy as fuck and so is she. She could well be the one that ordered Epstein be Epsteined.

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[–] msprout@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I dunno. I haven't seen that proven definitively yet, but I know that several of her siblings did go into the intelligence industry. It is not farfetched, either, given Alex Acosta's comment that he was told Epstein was an intelligence asset and to leave it alone.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/who-is-ghislaine-maxwells-father-robert-maxwell-alleged-spy-for-israel-uk-and-russia-8938577

https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-mossad-tucker-carlson-israel-naftali-2098880

You'll never find any concrete proof. They're spys from a legacy family. The old man, her father, made quite the name for himself. I'd put money down on that's partially the reason they're not getting released. Afaik, people haven't been able to figure out if Ghislaine introduced Epstein to her father or vice versa.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago
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