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    [–] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

    NixOS is only bad when you learn to fly, mostly because not enough docs. But when you are all bruised up, it's a joy through and through.

    [–] udon@lemmy.world 42 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    For everyone who doesn't have several different systems to maintain, I find the advantages of nixOS to be marginal. Sure, you can argue about atomicity and all, but honestly I don't remember ever running into a serious problem with debian either. The huge package repo is nice, but I rarely encounter an app I can't get through apt, flatpak, or as an appimage.

    At the same time, nix also has various downsides. Documentation sucks. There are two main ways to manage the system, they both pretend to be the better one, and it's super hard to even get started. That's not an issue with the technology, but just a lack of priority. Guix is much better on that end (but also comes with the same marginal advantages).

    On the other hand, debian has a stable community, with proper processes, democratic structures etc.

    This is a nice, kind of old presentation from debconf, where people discussed nix and how this could be useful in a debian context as well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGrcLEweglg

    So, if you FOMO, don't worry. Debian and other options have this on the radar and have their ways to adapt (even if slowly)

    [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 2 points 16 hours ago

    Nix-shell and nix flakes are unparalleled, I can't really live without them anymore. Hell, I even use them on my work Windows machine inside WSL.

    [–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    Personally I’ve found the transition to be much more than marginal. Systems are defined not by the state of the machine itself but by the config describing it which is much more transparent and manageable. Non-declarative systems are great if you’re just running small services, are changing and experimenting a lot. Or just don’t can’t if your system goes down or bloats over the year. Declarative systems save you whole lot of management headaches especially if you are working with others, or aren’t constantly reviewing your old work.

    [–] udon@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (5 children)

    Except that things change as well in (or rather "around") declarative systems, and you have to update your config files as well. That's because the underlying software changes, and it has nothing to do with whether your system is declarative or not. You just need to put in the work to update your configs at a different point in time.

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    [–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 62 points 5 days ago (4 children)

    Nixos has been extremely easy to get working for most stuff. If you stray off the trail at all, it gets complicated. Possible! But complicated for my little brain.

    [–] Johanno@feddit.org 20 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    Development seems to be a bit of bite in the ass.

    Intellij does have a package but for some reason plugins use often some random binaries and those do not work well with nixos.

    Also getting always the right dependencies for the current project was for me difficult to learn.

    [–] kautau@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

    For my dev environment I’ve had great success combining home-manager and their integration with

    https://mise.jdx.dev/

    Sure, it doesn’t quite fit the nix philosophy perfectly, but everything is still in my home.nix file and my home directory, and and I can swap tool versions on the fly and direct IntelliJ to their locations pretty easily

    [–] sunstoned@lemmus.org 4 points 4 days ago

    Embrace the --impure

    The problem is, no one on Nix is going to stay on the trail. We are all there since we left it long ago.

    [–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    still weeks ahead of the gentoo user

    [–] msage@programming.dev 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    I had 0 issues with Gentoo.

    And it updates in a manner of hours on 3700X (LibreOffice and Firefox are the worst offenders).

    [–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

    Hmmm I was annoyed that my slow internet slowed down my arch update by 6 minutes.

    [–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 3 days ago

    I have very fast internet, so no waiting there.

    But fuck LLVM and Clang.

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    [–] w3ird_sloth@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    How about installing nix on Gentoo?

    [–] stoicmaverick@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

    There are people in your life who care about you too much to let you do that to yourself... I assume...

    [–] expr@programming.dev 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    Everything has to be compiled on Gentoo, right? So would the many binary nix packages even work?

    [–] rikudou@lemmings.world 1 points 15 hours ago

    They would. But if you want to do it the Gentoo way, just disable using cache in Nix, it will manually compile every package you install.

    [–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 2 days ago

    I'd rather teach my grandma to install gentoo than ever touch nixOS again.

    [–] paequ2@lemmy.today 27 points 5 days ago (6 children)
    [–] mrh@mander.xyz 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)
    [–] jbk@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 4 days ago

    wonder if that anime girl image is libre

    [–] neox_@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

    GNU Guix System!

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    [–] alecsargent@lemmy.zip 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

    Linux From Scratch says hello

    [–] TeamAssimilation 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    Real masochists: CubeOS

    For Steam games.

    [–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 11 points 4 days ago

    Who hurt you?

    [–] TarantulaFudge@piefed.zip 18 points 5 days ago

    Gentoo is awesome, especially if you are a developer. Every toolchain at your fingertips. Easy full stack debugging!

    [–] TheShittinator@forum.guncadindex.com 10 points 5 days ago (2 children)

    I keep telling myself that one of these days, surely, I'll eventually leave my comfy Fedora rpm-ostree setup, try out NixOS, and make the most of its super unique package management.

    Surely.

    [–] StopSpazzing@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (7 children)

    Bad time to try out NixOS due to recent controversy..

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    [–] hmmm@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

    Do a better on Linux from Scratch

    [–] drath@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    I am seriously considering switching to either Gentoo or 9front...

    [–] paequ2@lemmy.today 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    Switch to 9front, 9front, 9front!

    [–] drath@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

    Damn, it looks like everyone whom I told about this just wants to see me suffer. Alrighty then, see ya in... sometime. The journey sure looks rough, given that my hardware is barely supported by linux, nevermind an experimental OS from the 90s...

    [–] paequ2@lemmy.today 6 points 4 days ago

    I've always liked the idea of running Plan 9. I haven't had the courage to try it out though.

    [–] RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago

    Gentoo isn't so bad if you're good at reading instructions and value control and customization

    [–] jobbies@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 days ago

    You forgot secret option 3 - I use arch btw

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