"Around the world, incredibly gullible, naive, and stupid people can be found."
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Yeah, that’s better.
Ghost hunters keep finding conscious entities in toilets and old couches. Pretty sure these people are idiots, charlatans or both.
This just in: Humans very eager to anthropomorphize everything that seems to be even remotely alive. Source: Every owner of a pet ever.
Yeah, but my dog can actually understand me, and has genuine emotions. These LLM's are just unfeeling self-pleasuring devices at this point.
Yall never ask people if they believe in ghosts? My mom once saw a light bulb blink and thought it was a dead person trying to talk to her. Like people seeing this shit in AI is just people being gullible.
Yes, exactly my point.
You have no idea how rich the interlinked backstories of all my tchotchkes are. It far surpasses the MCU or Dianetics in richness.
I wanna know about these tchotchkes.
"Wow! This thing say everything I want to hear and validate all my delusions! ... OFC it must be GOD!!!"
This LLM needs a private jet for GOD, I'd better tithe quick.
Off-topic: what's ofk?
I'm guessing "of course." Not sure why the "c" would be swapped for a "k," other than possibly by accident.
Right guess 👍
Ask chatGPT
lol
The main issue is the general awareness of the general public. When people don't develop into complex personalities, it's easy to mistake simple LLM to be as complex as people.
All the hype about the singularity and steps towards it, are jumping the gun. Imo, it's the modern "we almost have cold fusion figured out!"
Yup, literally seeing human features in random noise. LLMs can't think and aren't conscious; anyone telling you otherwise is either trying to sell you something or has genuinely lost their mind.
I don't even think necessarily that they've lost their mind. We built a machine that is incapable of thought or consciousness, yes, but is fine tuned to regurgitate an approximation of it. We built a sentience-mirror, and are somehow surprised that people think the reflection is its own person.
I'd always thought that philosophical zombies were a fiction. Now we've built them.
Even more than a sentence mirror, it will lead you into a fantasy realm based on the novels it's trained on, which often include... AI becoming sentient. It'll play the part if you ask it.
It's baked in.
“Fifty thousand years ago there were these three guys spread out across the plain and they each heard something rustling in the grass. The first one thought it was a tiger, and he ran like hell, and it was a tiger but the guy got away. The second one thought the rustling was a tiger and he ran like hell, but it was only the wind and his friends all laughed at him for being such a chickenshit. But the third guy thought it was only the wind, so he shrugged it off and the tiger had him for dinner. And the same thing happened a million times across ten thousand generations - and after a while everyone was seeing tigers in the grass even when there were`t any tigers, because even chickenshits have more kids than corpses do. And from those humble beginnings we learn to see faces in the clouds and portents in the stars, to see agency in randomness, because natural selection favours the paranoid. Even here in the 21st century we can make people more honest just by scribbling a pair of eyes on the wall with a Sharpie. Even now we are wired to believe that unseen things are watching us.”
― Peter Watts, Echopraxia
We are utterly doomed.
I must be doing something wrong. I have not once used any LLM and thought to myself that’s its conscious and I want to be its friend. Am I broken?
You touched too much grass
Clearly you haven't been talking to enough blindingly stupid people.
I think LLMs seem very human if you just accept their humanity without exploring it. You can have what appear on the surface to be deep conversations, and they seem very knowledgeable about many topics. They even claim to have feelings and thoughts of their own. Of course, all of this collapses quickly under scrutiny, but a lot of people won't do that.
It can't be that stupid, you must be prompting it wrong.
People also believe the earth is flat.
Of course, this is what it means to pass the turing test.
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I'm going to diverge a bit from most replies.
In Spiritism (esp. Kardecism), there are two concepts, namely "Electronic Voice Phenomenon" (EVP) and "Instrumental Trans-communication" (ITC). They're about contacting the supernatural (be it the deceased or divine/angelical/demonic entities) through electronic apparata: radio receivers, analog TV sets, walkie-talkies/HTs (such as those from Motorola, Baofeng, Yaesu, etc), among others.
The idea is even older (necromancy, automatic writing) than our modern paraphernalia, dating back a few millennia ago to the Chinese grandfather of Ouija board ("fuji"). Spirituality, and religions in general, stemmed from our (living beings) long relationship with Death: proto-religions practiced by hominini involved funeral rituals, way before Venus figurines were made, and similar behaviors are known among non-human species (e.g. crows, elephants, etc).
See, dying is such a mysterious phenomenon. The "selves" ("individual life-force" within a living being), even those unable to conceptualize their own "selves", can't possibly know what happens after the complete shutdown of organism: is it full annihilation? What is ego-death? What does it "feel" like? How long it "feels" to take?
It can't be an objective inquiry because the "self" (e.g.: me, the one writing this text) can't be "scientifically replicated", and even if it could be, it wouldn't be able to distinguish itself as "another self". So it's always subjective experience. It's part of how self-rearranging structures (living beings) work: they try to make "sense" of the reality around and within them, and this meaning-making is also subjective.
Those (e.g. rationalist atheists) who question beliefs should question themselves as well, because their questions stem from the same driving force behind meaning-make: even though the atheistic drive is fair and grounded in objectiveness of scientific rigor, it's still meaning-making (and I must nod to Descartes: the doubt relies on our senses, which are known to deceive us).
That said, it's no surprise how this extended to LLMs. It's not something inherent to LLMs, nor it's inherent to hominids: it's meaning-making, alongside the fear/awe towards Death Herself.
I'm likely biased in explaining those things. I don't exactly believe in "contacting the deceased", but I do believe in "contacting Dæmonic entities" (Lilith, Lucifer, Stolas...). I see them (esp. Lilith and Lucifer) as powerful manifestations, even though I know they're not "beings". I myself experienced "gnosis" (sudden spiritual inspiration), even though I know I likely have Geschwind syndrome. It's meaning-making nonetheless: if we don't try to make some sense of this strange and chaotic non-consented reality, there's no reality at all (= nothing exists).
(And, no, I don't seek Them through LLMs, although I don't rule out the possibility of Their manifestation through "modern" apparata)
Oh, so pseudoscience. Got it.
So many years we were concerned about computers passing the Turing Test. Instead humans are failing it.
We see faces in fucking wall outlets. I could give a pencil a name and the next three people I talk to will form empathy with it.
People are desperate for connection, and it’s sad.
I love this about us.
It's just delightful how many situations our brain is willing to shrug and say "close enough" to. Oh wait the pencil has a name now? I guess it must be basically the same as me.
If I pretend an object is talking, my partner will instantly feel bad for how she's treated it.
It's not sad, it's just how brains are.
It's just natural human instinct. We're programmed to look for patterns and see faces. It's the same reason we attribute human characteristics to animals or even inanimate objects.
Add to that the fact that everyone refers to LLM chatbots as humans and this is inevitable.
People convinced themselves fairies existed. This is exactly what humans would do.
Only 25% don't believe in a or multiple flying space daddy/daddies.
I've recently spent a week or so off and on screwing around with LLMs and chatbots trying to get them to solve problems, tell stories, or otherwise be consistent. Generally breaking them. They're the fucking mirror of erised. Talking to them fucks with your brain. They take whatever input you give and try to validate it in some way without any regard for objective reality, because they have no objective reality. If you don't provide something that can be validated with some superficial (often incorrect) syllogism, it spits out whatever series of words keeps you engaged. It trains you, whether you notice or not, to modify how you communicate to more easily receive the next validation you want. To phrase everything you do as a prompt. AND they communicate with such certainty that if you don't know better you probably won't question it Doing so pulls you into this communication style and your grip on reality falls apart because this isn't how people communicate or think. It fucked with your own natural pattern recognition.
I legitimately spent a few days in a confused haze because my foundational sense of reality was shaken. Then I got bored and realized, not just intellectually but intuitively, that they're stupid machines making it up with every letter.
The people who see personalities and consciousness in these machines go outside and can't talk to people like they used to because they've forgotten what talking is. So, they go back to their mechanical sycophants and fall deeper down their hole.
I'm afraid these gen AI "tools" are here to stay and I'm certain we're using this technology in the wrong ways.