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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

You can do it! Cut their fucking balls off!

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

TBF an LLM could have written the remaining books by now and it’d still be better than how the show ended up.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your favorite thing you wanted to happen has happened, Everyone lived the way you wanted them to ever-after. The End.

  • Every LLM generated story
[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 6 points 2 days ago

Now make Cersei and Sansa kiss.

[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Anything would be better than an LLM by virtue of the fact that a human wrote it.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Finish the fucking book, George.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If his legacy is securing some kind of AI rights for artists I'd prefer that honestly. That book is at this point the Star Citizen of books. Even if it ever somehow comes out, the insane amount of time and hype surrounding it absolutely guarantee disappointment.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Just give up on the book. Even if he gets the Winds of Winter done, the rest will never follow. He seems to have found himself unable to focus on it. I imagine that between the backlash to the shows end, the attention and intense pressure that was put on him, and the constant complaints by shitty fans (cough) acting like they are entitled to his work and reminding him he's going to die before finishing it if he doesn't hurry up... I can't imagine any of that makes him feel like working on it. He clearly loves the world and needs the creative outlet, which is why he keeps popping out novella after novella set in Westeros that no one asked for. But the fact that he's not working on WoW feels like it just doesnt make him feel good to work on it anymore. And I cant fault the guy for not powering through like it is a book report due in the morning.

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[–] chetradley@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

I'm actually ok with him taking the time to sue the fuck out of Open AI. But let's be real here, I've given up any hope of the books being finished anyway.

[–] Sylra@lemmy.cafe 49 points 3 days ago (16 children)

So, this is what I understood so far:

  • A group of authors, including George R.R. Martin, sued OpenAI in 2023. They said the company used their books without permission to train ChatGPT and that the AI can produce content too similar to their original work.

  • In October 2025, a judge ruled the lawsuit can move forward. This came after ChatGPT generated a detailed fake sequel to one of Martin's books, complete with characters and world elements closely tied to his universe. The judge said a jury could see this as copyright infringement.

  • The court has not yet decided whether OpenAI's use counts as fair use. That remains a key legal question.

  • This case is part of a bigger debate over whether AI companies can train on copyrighted books without asking or paying. In a similar case against Anthropic, a court once suggested AI training might be fair use, but the company still paid $1.5 billion to settle.

  • No final decision has been made here, and no trial date has been set.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Just forget for a second that this has anything to do with AI specifically: I wonder how it could possibly fall under fair use to grind up hundreds of thousands of pieces of copyrighted content, and then use that data to create software that you then profit from.

The question, as I see it, is if simply mashing all this intellectual property together -- and deriving a series of weights for an AI model from that -- somehow makes it not theft simply because all the content is smashed into one big pile of pink goo in which no single piece of content is recognizable.

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[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago

Go get em!

If the authors win, we win. Either these companies will have to start over from near scratch, or those authors are gonna be riiiiich

[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 98 points 4 days ago (17 children)

Man will rather start a fight with the biggest industry of our time than finish his book.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There's worse things he could be doing with his time.

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[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 39 points 4 days ago

There's no benefit in him doing so. He likely makes more money working on any other project than ASOIAF and it's probably more fun for him to not have to worry about the fanbase.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago

There are hundreds of lawsuits in SDNY against OpenAI for copyright theft.

[–] witheyeandclaw@lemmy.world 61 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Unpopular opinion: GRRM doesn't owe anyone shit. I would love for the series to be complete, but he knew a long time ago that he tied himself up in a knot.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 54 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And nobody has to like him for abandoning his series. He deserves all the criticism he gets.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 points 3 days ago

Does he have to finish the series?

No.

Would I vote to convict someone that Misery's him into finishing it?

Also no.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The court, which stressed that it’s not opining on fair use, said that a jury could undoubtedly find that the output infringes on Martin’s works.

Well of course it does. Llms can only talk about what they know, they can't talk about these books if the books are part of its knowledge, similarly like how I can't talk about the books if I haven't read them. The entire point is that the LLM got the data from the books (and of course without paying) and with that, open AI and others are profiting "massively" from it without giving anything back to the author.

Llms, as they currently are, should just be prohibited, or we should abolish copyright entirely

[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 1 points 1 day ago

Yes and no - there's so much GoT fan content out there that they could theoretically pick up on the key names and places without the books

That said, I'd be willing to bet these shitty AI companies went the extra mile to pirate these books to train their LLMs, because copyright law is only for the poors.

I generally despise LLMs, but I'd be intrigued to see LLMs be the thing that reigns in copyright law a little bit because it's gotten too out of hand.

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I hate his books, but this, I like.

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[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This old fuck is never going to finish game of thrones. What the actual fuck.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At this point it's not in his best interest to finish it. It's analogous to the situation Valve carved for themselves with Half Life 3.

Create enough build up, and then have to delay it for one reason or another and... you're now trapped in a loop of more expectation, meaning the product must be better, meaning you're not confident to release it as is, so now more expectation builds up, and the loop repeats until you know that no matter what you release the public won't be satisfied enough, because reality can't possibly match their expectations, and you're no longer free to be creative because of the lingering expectations.

When that happens it's literally your best move to not release the thing.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

Artists simply shouldnt be making decisions based on what they think people want. I want to see what valve would do with half life 3, and I'm guessing they will make it when they come up with an idea they really love. Similarly, game of thrones was all about bucking what people wanted to happen, so I dont see how suddenly hes stuck on public opinion.

Personally, I think hes easily distracted, and becoming rich and successful took most of his motivation away. I dont see much to want to emulate with him.

[–] TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But just imagine a world where he somehow manages to kill one of the big IRL villains of our time! It could only get better if he manages to take out some billionaires in the process

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

That would be wild wouldnt it? Like re-enacting eddards death but with a real billionaire?

[–] Mniot@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Statutory damages for copyright infringement can reach up to $150,000, but there’s no double-dipping.

Does this mean that, at most, OpenAI would be forced to pay him 150k? That seems irrelevant (to both parties, in fact).

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No. Each work is its own violation. The RIAA showed us that decades ago.

But if he wins, then every other similar author has a blueprint of how to get some cash... And if the defendants keep doing the action, everyone can file suits again, right?

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