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I want to say this loud and clear in a post here for everyone to see, but there is an issue here with people having this giant hate boner for Albertans. Not the government, not UCP voters, but Albertans.

It doesn't matter if you're politically on the same side as people elsewhere in the country, it doesn't matter if you present facts to people who are provably wrong on the most basic of things they say, it doesn't matter if you treat them with dignity and respect by mentioning things with good intentions and not insulting people. You will still get labelled as the bad guy for the very fact you're Albertan.

I made a response to a comment on this post in the community. My comment was responding to someone who called Albertans "HUGE pussies" for "giving up our rights".

In my response to said comment, I basically said that the notion that we're "simply giving up" is completely false, using the following facts:

  1. Students have been staging walkouts:
  1. The AFL (Alberta Federation of Labour) has stated that they will retaliate against the back to work order with a "general strike if necessary"
  1. The UCP has faced a dip in the polls resulting from the back-to-work order

I went ahead and said that statements like this that blanket Albertans as lazy, dumb, and inept do not help relations between the province and the rest of the country, especially when the actions being taken showcase the exact opposite.

For this, I was labelled as a conservative myself when I'm registered with the NDP provincially and federally, had myself and those around me insulted, and was told I was uneducated by someone who spewed blatantly incorrect information as they did so, and I was the one looked down upon in the entire interaction simply for where I'm from.

I suggested that in order for the NDP or Liberals, or anybody to win over Albertans, they need to address issues here. I gave the example of canola farmers suffering, and how the feds can tariff imported cooking oils to encourage consumers to choose a domestic alternative and/or have marketing campaigns to support canola farmers by increasing their domestic sales.

For this, someone insinuated that I am dumber than them simply based on what they assumed to be the school system I attended. The very same person who said this confidently made another comment where they claimed that the NDP was in charge for a "long time" before Peter Lougheed, and that Lougheed ran on diversifying the economy, and ditched the effort afterwards.

This is provably false. The NDP formed government for the first time in 2015, it was the Social Credit Party who came before Lougheed's Progressive Conservatives. Lougheed also established the Heritage Fund , which was made specifically to save money for investments in other sectors of Alberta's economy, the disaster of the fund came with the following leaders.

However, calling someone out for getting their facts wrong, and showcasing a current example of tariffs working to protect domestic goods gets you downvoted if you're Albertan, with the very people insulting your intelligence getting upvoted as they spew their nonsense.

Apparently explaining working-class issues and what left-wing parties can do to better reach those who normally vote Conservative is treating Alberta as "special" and forcing "everyone else to adapt" to us. Clearly the "majority" of people in Alberta are "hateful morons" and "insular xenophobes" .

Why do people continue to blanket me with the thoughts of a few bad apples they met? Are they more prominent here, sure, whatever, I can agree to that. I can agree that people here can be some of the worst you've met, I would know, I live here.

But me and the good, well-meaning people I know, especially those here who are marginalised or among the over 750,000 people who voted for the NDP the last election, do not appreciate having blanket statements made against us simply because we live here. I am pro-abortion, I am pro-immigration, I am pro-expanding healthcare, pro-creating public alternatives, pro-trans rights, anti-privatisation, anti-separatist, and yet sure, I'm a Conservative tip-toeing a line because my thoughts slightly deviate from the norm.

Hate the government, hate the jerks, do not hate me simply for where I'm born and the fact that I live here. I do not do this to you, I do not insult people for where they live or were born, and don't make blanket assumptions about the entire population of an area based on who's in power where they live. Why then is it seen as acceptable for this to happen to me?

I am an Albertan who doesn't want special treatment, but for fuck sake, it is reasonable to want to be treated with respect.

Edit: I don't know why the numbered lists are showing all as 1's, I have them properly numbered in the text of this post.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 days ago

Everybody loves a scapegoat.

[–] FlareHeart@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago

I don't hate all Albertans if it makes you feel any better.

I think Danielle Smith and her UCP is the problem, but I know that when tensions get high, some overly broad generalizations get made because in order for Danielle to be in power there must have been at least enough people that agree with her to vote for her.

I don't think ALL Albertans are a problem, just the ones that think like her.

[–] GuyLivingHere@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Thank you for speaking out, OP.

I don't hate people from X place because they are from X place. I hate people who refuse to change their destructive ways in the face of overwhelming evidence that doing A,B,C is harmful to oneself or to others. Most often, that seems to align with conservatives. I'm also grouping some centrists in there as well, because they tend to both-sides a lot of issues when that isn't helping. "Well, maybe not all pollution is bad". No, you hypothetical fuckwit, ALL pollution is bad.

I'm glad you are speaking out for the sensible people who live in Alberta.

Signed, a progressive from Ontario.

[–] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

From your perspective, what are the major problems your province needs fixed?

[–] Binzy_Boi@piefed.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Diversification of the economy is the biggest issue that Alberta needs to address. People here think they want oil and gas development because we're a single-resource economy, but what they really want is stability and affordability just like anybody else across the country does. Alberta's reliance on oil is a strength that became a debilitating weakness, and our own leaders, Lougheed to be specific, saw that as the case and wanted to diversify using the Heritage Fund to do so, but this was never picked up on again after the 1980s oil glut until the NDP came to power and tried attracting tech jobs.

As someone who vehemently supports the federal NDP, I genuinely think that Alberta is a prime example of the party's failings with working-class people. Farmers are hurting, oil workers are hurting, and as a result everyone else who works other sectors is currently hurting because the province still isn't doing too great. This isn't going to be solved by pipelines, and yes, that is in the large part on us for having demanded them so much in the past.

However people are scared of the shift from oil because there's literally a cultural connection to it here. That money in the time of Peter Lougheed brought the province insane prosperity, and a lot of that money generated was invested heavily into the arts and cultural staples here. People are fine with shifting away more than you'd think, they just want job security for the people that built the economy of this province that brought us that prosperity and cultural flourish through the transition so that they don't get left behind like is nearly always the case when industries anywhere go bust.

When you promise and deliver for working-class people's wallets, especially in a time of economic hardship like now, they will trust you more than Rebel News mouthpieces and such as they can see that you have cared and delivered for them, and as a result of that, will be more likely to listen to you on social issues such as trans rights, racial issues, immigration, and so on. The issue with the feds is that they always have the same mistake as most people here where they think another pipeline is how you address that, when it only makes Alberta's boom-bust single-resource economy even worse.

The worst premiers we've had know how to signal economic populism, Smith pretends and postures that she's fighting for the "Alberta Advantage", and Ralph Klein absolutely gutted everything in the government under the guise he was getting rid of the province's debt. As a result of controlling economic narratives, they have been able to control social narratives as well. If the provincial and federal NDP were to hammer economic points time and time over to Albertan voters in an effective manner, they will steal voters, and as a result, then be able to control social narratives.

[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

my brother lives there and i feel bad for him

[–] LoveCanada@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well, you're not alone my friend. I have voted NDP at one point but Im definitely a small c conservative and generally vote Conservative. But good god, try presenting ANY kind of conservative viewpoint on social media and prepare to not only be called various insulting or downright evil names, but to be downvoted to oblivion. The hard fact is that social media leans left and sometimes FAR left. Im done with reddit, its turned into a cesspool and those who aren't leaning left are just hundreds of bots and shills. Im not spending time debating with a bot. At least the fediverse isn't popular enough or monetized to attract the platform destroying companies that have made reddit useless.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Tell your neighbors to stop being bigoted hicks and literal Nazis, and people won't look down on your right-wing community.

Alberta is the Texas of Canada

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Way to perpetuate the discrimination that OP was pointing out. Geez. 🙄

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

The literal white supremacists in the United States pretend like the mean condescending libs "made them" behave like Nazis. I remember these exact same dynamics between city libs and bigoted rural alt-right

In truth they were always like that, and no amount of coddling them would have prevented it.

Enough shame might have worked though.

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[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hear Hear!


To all Albertans who aren't living in ideology ( ANY ideology: I now think they're damned mind-parasites, trying to destroy our world, the same as rabies-viruses collaborate to do-so, to the lives they infect ),

& there are many, gratitude to you for your culture of saying what you mean, & meaning what you say, which much of the rest of Canada could benefit significantly from..

I've never been there, but an Albertan made a big impression on my mind, decades ago, at an accessibility meeting, then I knew some former-Albertans & they were good people, too, years later.

Also, there was a program running in Afghanistan, & what it did was it got Afghani people to be employed outside of the drug-industry, & outside of the endless warlordism..

They sometimes literally paid people to move hills, by hand, if that's what it took to get people out from the cycles which kept drowning their country..

It was winning..

( then Trump signed an agreement with somebody to pull the US out from Afghanistan, gutting everything )

I don't know what that program was called, but it took an Albertan to run it.

( read about it perhaps 1.5 decades ago, in some newspaper ).

Gratitude for that, too.


ALL of our provinces & territories have ideologues, who try to increase their importance/significance through making themselves look bigger than they are, right?

We need to out-compete the ideologues.

That is how we win Natural Selection!


Namaste, & Kaizen, fellow Canuckians!

_ /\ _

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Having an issue with “ideology” is like disliking pronouns, it’s a part of everyday life that you can’t just sensibly try to distance yourself from

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I’m at the same time terribly sorry that you get so much flack for things you’re not responsible for. But you also you’re the one responsible for growing a patience bone and understanding that this is just how stereotypes work, and almost literally everyone in this world carries a few of these on their backs. Hope you can use this experience to empathize with how other communities struggle with their own stereotypes, and incorporate that in your activism.

But the contrary seems to be happening, you seem to be missing the opportunity to self reflect. You’re not respectfully asking for respect, so you won’t get much. I understand you might have some emotions running high right now, but then again you don’t seem to be giving others any leeway either.

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