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[–] suchwin@lemmy.world 88 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Seen a lot of half baked arguments.

I've been in the area and met this cat. First off, this cat started as a stray, and found its way to the corner store that took it in and adopted it for all intents and purposes. Its lived in the same spot for many years, and had always been an exceptionally chill cat. Painting him as a typical outdoor cat is disingenuous and uninformed.

KitKat has been safe and sound for so long without any issues. There's gotta be literally millions of cars that have driven past in his residency on 16th in the Mission district of SF. And the only time he gets hit is by a waymo? All these human drivers, so many of them absolute shit, and never an occurrence? This cat isn't sprinting the neighborhood, crossing streets, or hunting for prey; its docile, loves pets, and knows there's endless food at the liquor store that provides all his needs. He wasn't your typical outdoor cat that runs from everyone and twitches at unknown sounds; this was an urban dwelling cat that's been prospering for years.

Waymo promotes and brags to riders how many cameras are inside and out of the car. But it so easily hit something that could fuck the car up if it wasn't soft squishy flesh. Were animals and small children not in any of its test scenarios? Is it infeasble to install cameras where a typical driver couldn't usually see?

Not to mention the absolutely rude response waymo has had to this event. Instead of apologizing and pledging improvements and retribution to killing a valued community member; they victim-blamed the dead cat, said they didn't do anything wrong, and said nothing of mitigating future scenarios.

There's more I can say about the company and its typical ownership, but I want to keep this to the slaughter at hand and their complete lack of consciousness. Waymo doesn't care about you or anything that it kills. Once again, its about the bottom line and whatever it can do to turn profit.

Obviously accidents happen, but its the reaction that can truly matter in those cases. They've shown that causing great harm in a community means nothing to them. And this is in obvious and outspoken situations. What about the less obvious ways? Whether that be job loss, economic factors, environmental concerns, or blatant safety on our streets. If they're forced, they'll make a bullshit apology (aka recognition of events) and then focus on moving forward without addressing people's grief and anger.

Fuck waymo, fuck their response especially, and fuck anyone saying this cat deserved it by being a lazy sidewalk-laying pillar of joy in the neighborhood.

Rest in Peace KitKat. The community will always love you and remember you for always brightening our days in this endlessly threatening world. The only thing that killed you was the ruthless drive for profit. Your memory will live on in the hearts of many. And as a focal point that citizens must stop allowing corporations from plowing down their neighbors, their voice, and their sunshine in a day's walk to the store.

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[–] 1985MustangCobra@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

when the LA riots happened a few months ago and they were torching waymo cars i was confused why they would do that, now im ok with thoese cars being torched. fuck waymo, RIP kitkat

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 days ago

Waymo/Google has aligned itself with Trump and there are a lot of cameras on those cars. I suspect that was a reason back then. Now there's more.

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

What I've learned working at a startup in stealth mode and having larger projects in the back lot behind the building, is that those cars also do not respect 'no trespassing' signs and waymo will wait until it gets to the litigious point to bother to fix their routing.

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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 164 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Before anyone starts to think there's a good guy in this story:

some have taken upon themselves to honor KitKat in distinctly Silicon Valley-style ways. Zeidan (part of cats family) has released a memecoin honoring KitKat’s legacy, and also said that he was disappointed to see others launch their own imitation tokens in an attempt to profit off KitKat’s death.

He says he's going to use the money to support local vets, but why don't you just share some links to spca to donate directly, you're providing nothing but a way for you to grift by taking the money through meme coins.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 85 points 4 days ago

Yes, this is the extra cherry on top that makes San Francisco look like a parody of itself here lol

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Or even better: Be the "good guy" by giving your cat a happy, healthy, secure, and longer life by keeping them indoors. People hate to be told what to do, and some cats love it outside, but guess what? My dog would love to eat 10lbs of chocolate. We have to look out for their best interests. This obviously doesn't mean don't ever take them outside leashed or supervised, but the fact remains: indoor cats have a better, less stressful life, and don't decimate local bird populations...

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.org 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I always ask people how they would think about my Dog coming into their garden unsupervised, shitting and pissing all over the place, digging out flowers and fighting with other Dogs. I'm sure they would be less than thrilled and yet the same is okay for cats.

[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 7 points 4 days ago

Not to mention the literally billions of birds that are killed every year by cats in the US.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

People who let their cats roam outside are assholes. As well as being vulnerable to getting run over by cars, cats also kill large numbers of birds and small animals.

[–] blinfabian@feddit.nl 6 points 3 days ago

TLDR: cat gets hit by AI car and dies

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 72 points 5 days ago (5 children)

“While our vehicle was stopped to pick up passengers, a nearby cat darted under our vehicle as it was pulling away”

I mean, it sucks, but it could've happened with a human driver as well... and likely has happened.

I have rode in a Waymo and it shows you all the things it detects on a screen... which includes humans and small animals. It's not a perfect machine, but it probably is a better driver than a lot of people already and it's learning every day.

I suppose this incident could get Waymo to put cameras/sensors beneath the car... something that regular car makers won't think about.

But yeah, it should've detected the cat beforehand and waited for it to leave before driving off. Then again, the human passengers didn't see it either.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 22 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Then again, the human passengers didn't see it either.

The human passengers weren't responsible for driving the vehicle, their lack of awareness is a feature of getting a taxi ride?

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (14 children)

I meant that the Waymo didn't see it, neither did the passengers, so the cat could've been difficult to detect.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

reader beware.

1000002269

lots of muskrats and thielologists shitting in this post.

[–] Macallan@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago
[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Yet another reason to despise AI. Animals deserve to be safe too. We've already taken so much from them as it is.

[–] reddifuge@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

Ai has a proven track record of causing less accidents, and killing far fewer animals per km traveled than the average driver.

92% fewer accidents involving animals than the average human.

Ai doesn't drink, get distracted, or smoke meth like the ml mods.

[–] majster@lemmy.zip 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 20 points 4 days ago (5 children)

People get jail time, what do we do with machines?

Hold the manufacturers and operators (specifically for company operated) accountable?

The machine is the product, not the operator. We don't jail classic cars either. We hold their operators accountable. The one in control. Self driving has a shift of who is in control - now "indirectly".

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[–] magguzu@midwest.social 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Public transportation does this too and isn't controlled by some company trying to make graphs go up

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 35 points 4 days ago (17 children)

People who keep their kids inside but let their pets play in traffic are psychopaths.

I know what I said.

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[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 26 points 5 days ago (3 children)

So glad I live far away from the tech bros. Must be so annoying living in the bay area.

[–] MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zip 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Used to go to SF for work events.

It felt like a town that once had culture that still wants to peek out, but it almost entirely covered with silicon valley monotony and misanthropic policies. It feels like a city where the people living there are the after thought, and the tablet where you order your coffee while you sit around a room where nobody makes eye contact or speaks to you is the product.

I'm sure there's a part of the city where humanity still thrives, but it should be a cultural warning to those who are adopting silicon valley cures as anything other than snake oil.

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[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I'm against robotaxis but in this particular case the taxi was stopped and the cat darted under it as it started to move. A human driver would have likely hit it too.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

cats don't dart under moving vehicles. i reckon the statement is partially bullshit

I've had several times a cat has run out in the road in front of my car, and would have gone under if I hadn't stopped quickly. Happily I've not hit one, few close calls though.

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[–] majster@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago

Cats darting under a car are almost daily occurence where I live. There are numerous situations and we humans adapt quiet well.

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[–] credo@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago (6 children)

While our vehicle was stopped to pick up passengers, a nearby cat darted under our vehicle as it was pulling away,

There are plenty of assholes who will aim for cats while driving. This, at least, can likely be remedied fleet-wide and permanently with a software fix. These people are just looking for an excuse to rail against automation— as if a human driver would have definitely seen the cat.

Also, keep cats inside.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 16 points 5 days ago (2 children)

This, at least, can likely be remedied fleet-wide and permanently with a software fix.

You have so much misplaced faith in these massive corporations...

[–] credo@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago

I have faith that if they keep making errors like this, people won’t give them business. I have faith that they will fix socially unacceptable issues in the name of money.

Kindly fuck off with your misplaced judgement.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Human drivers have probably killed dozens of cats since this singular incident and not a peep. People are so fuckin stupid

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Why are you limiting that just to cats? Many dogs have been hit. People too. I know they're making a point about how human safety is prioritized over animal safety but, speaking as a human who has been hit by a car (responding officer actually had to do CPR on me while waiting for emergency services), humans are horrendous drivers and taking the responsibility of transportation out of human hands would be a good thing. People suck as drivers and getting hit really hurts ALOT!!!!

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I wish people were as outraged about people getting killed by human drivers. The safety record of these cars has been no less than stellar until now.

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 13 points 4 days ago
[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Some of us are old enough to remember how cats and other creatures would get killed by old car engine designs with the large open fan driven by a belt. They would sleep on that fan housing and not realize the danger when the car was started. So there have been improvements that have helped, maybe not necessarily for that reason. For what it's worth, I'm on the side of minimizing cars for so many reasons, but it has been worse for animals in the past.

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[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Cat's shouldn't be left outside in the first place, because of situations like this.

*"Cat's shouldn't be left outside because they'll be crushed by a vehicle, eaten by coyotes, catch a deadly disease or purposely killed by shitty humans."

I can never understand why this is so often a hot take other than "it's natural", which is dubious at best. Leaving a cat outside by itself, without supervision and a harness is irresponsible and stupid. If you or your family do that, in a city, then make sure to have some "missing cat" posters pre-printed and always keep the picture up to date because that cat will likely not live a full life. Kindly keep any anecdotal evidence to the contrary to yourself, it stands for nothing.

Maybe if you lived on a farm and you wanted it to keep the mice population down, but then there's the environmental factor of how cats kill a lot of birds which stresses an already stressed population (and is maybe detrimental to crop health re. insects).

/rant

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