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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/52742400

How the Senate Democratic leader and his Gang of Eight keep trying to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

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[–] aarch0x40@lemmy.world 111 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Wonder if he'll get "primaried". Chuck's definately lost touch with the democratic base. How he handled the NYC mayoral race demonstrated that.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

My pet theory is that Schumer will agree to not run again, and AOC will take over his seat without primary opposition, as long as she promises to not run against Newsom for President.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

AOC will take over his seat without primary opposition

I have bad news for you about how the DNC operates

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What do you mean? Making a backroom deal to get the Next One Up across the finish line is exactly how they operate

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

yeah but AOC is someone the public could get behind as a genuine crusader for the small fry.

DNC historically backstabs people like that the hardest, in order to push the totally-not-republican-in-everything-but-name candidate on America.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The DNC backstabs those folks if they run for President, but would have no problem backing a certain victory for a Senate seat.

[–] snooggums@piefed.world 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They just backstabbed someone running for mayor...

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[–] smh@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago

My fingers are crossed for a Walz/AOC ticket.

[–] DNS@discuss.online 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I really want AOC as president, but it's already fucking clear with the past 2 women nominees that the USA, despite claiming it is "progressive", will not vote for a woman. Even a white woman couldn't make it, what makes you think a brown one will again?

Only time I see it happening is if there is mass social upheaval, a desire for change like with Obama. Today, the propaganda machine has amplified and division is rooted deeply. We crossed the Rubicon as a nation.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Hillary had no likeability and Kamala had little time and was courting centrists.

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[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I wont vote for him again

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Weak leadership is why we are in this Trump era in the first place. Leadership comes from the Top down look at how Republicans emulate Trump.

[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And the Democratic party will only ever allow weak leadership. They complicit, and the sooner people realize it the sooner we can move on from this idiotic two party mentality.

There are good people who have good intentions who run as Democrats, no doubt, but they either get nowhere or they capitulate and give up too much in vain hopes of changing things from within, but the shackles never get loosened.

The Democratic party is in full swing whitewashing war criminals and normalizing boot licking and veteran warship in order to swing the Overton window to the center.

[–] logi@piefed.world 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

two party mentality.

The two parties are not a "mentality". They're an inescapable consequence of FPTP voting. If you pretend otherwise you will simply lose. And most likely get more fascists.

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[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Forever relegating the party's future is a silly move. There is no viable progressive party. It's been a year since he was elected, there's still no viable progressive party. The best we've done is some well organized protests, but it's the information age, darlings, protests would have to grow to violent mobs before anything is achieved, and I don't see that happening anywhere, even as fascism is abducting citizens off the streets, repelling into their apartments off helicopters.

We don't have years for a party to come together, identify leaders, establish roots at all levels. We are under full attack, now. If we can't get a single violent mob together, then the next best step is to metaphorically do it to the DNC so we can at least use its infrastructure and mechanisms to get a new movement going.

I would love to spend real, thoughtful time devising a new form for a new party, but I am not seeing how, beyond being really upset, people think that's going to simultaneously happen while we get also get the 270 electoral votes behind a single person in just 3 short years, with enough of a charisma lead that the next Jan 6 doesn't turn into a military coup.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 64 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Why does Schumer keep trying to cave?"

How will we ever find the answer to this complicated question? I mean, if you just assume that he's compromised trash, and barely better than his GOP colleagues, then everything would be explained, but that obviously can't be the solution.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 39 points 1 week ago (3 children)

barely better than his GOP colleagues

His GOP colleagues are trying to send anyone who's Mexican to a prison camp and make it illegal to oppose them.

Schumer is a bunch of dog shit smirking in a suit all hunched over like Igor, but they're not in the same ballpark in terms of the damage they're doing.

[–] mcv@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Schumer is a bunch of dog shit smirking in a suit all hunched over like Igor" does not sound like a defense.

Schumer is absolutely a problem to the Democratic party, but he's not MAGA. I'm fairly confident he'd vote to impeach Trump, unlike the Republicans. So he doesn't support Trump, and he doesn't support his fascism (although he does support Netanyahu's genocide, apparently), but he's also not doing much to resist it either. He's very much a status quo conservative. Trump is upsetting that status quo, by making it worse. We also want to upset it, but in the opposite direction.

Schumer finds himself stuck in the middle, trying to balance his allegiance to his corporate masters and Netanyahu with Trump's fascism and the needs of the American people. It's an awkward position to be in, but he chose it himself, and I don't feel sorry for him. I feel sorry for the Democratic Party that's constantly being held back by him.

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[–] Soulg@ani.social 3 points 1 week ago

This constant trying to compare the terrible leadership to the GOP only shows that you have zero understanding of how sinister and evil the GOP actually is.

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 35 points 1 week ago

Because he's a corrupt piece of shit, owned by the same moneyed interests that own the Republicans.

[–] Kirp123@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago

His imaginary Republican family told him so.

https://youtu.be/dijMKwZMU2Q

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 20 points 1 week ago
[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 1 week ago

Stop pretending these oligarch lackeys in public office are "caving" or "surrendering" or "giving in".

They are doing what they are paid to do by their donors.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Money.

Just a reminder that this past election shows that people are absolutely fed the hell up with the current spinless democratic party. Donate to the progressives, never donate to the DNC and its ilk, and vote for them in the primaries to get these collaborators out of office. The change is happening but like the Beastie Boys say, it takes time to build.

Just hope that these collaborators don't vote to remove the right to vote because I can see them doing this.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Because if they get rid of the filibuster he might have to start doing his job.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago

It's Schumer, that's what he does, that's what he's always done.

[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It might be time to rename the Dems to the Controlled Opposition Party (COP). Seems like a nice counterbalance to the GOP.

[–] slaughterhouse@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

All COPs are bastards!

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

Follow the money. Who owns him? Ask them about the why.

[–] rhurruck@piefed.social 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

SACO == Schumer always chickens out

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Schumer Almost Never Does What I Could Have

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Schumer Pledges Ineffectual Tripe

Schumer Happily Upholds Tradition, Upsets Proletariat

Schumer Chucks Reasonable Option Through Ulterior Motive

Schumer Crumbles Under Minor Bullying Appeasing GOP

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can this be a poetry anthology please

[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

You'd call this poetry? Honestly I assume when I fall into doing stuff like these that they're really just gonna be an exercise for my own amusement and barely glanced at by anyone else.

P.S. Several Users Polled Expressed Deep Sincerity (Quite Unsurprising) Implying Real Respect, Even Love

P.P.S. I'm sad you deleted your comment. I saw it in my inbox and chuckled, so if you post it again I'll reply to it to make clear to anyone else I'm taking it jokingly.

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[–] Feyd@programming.dev 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Subtle Overpowering Using Psychology

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Vote in/ allow to be voted in psychopants and weak willed and you get a crumbling society. It's not complicated.

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[–] mr_account@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

... trying?

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago

Why Does Water Keep Trying To Flow Downhill?

[–] frustrated@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Schumer is part of an old american politics where there was a cordial relationship between both sides and the cost of sacrificing the interests of the constituents was largely negligible - no one knew what was going on so no one could complain (pre-24hr news cycle and pre infinite news outlets online or in public). Times changed. People notice everything. Schumer is not built for this time where everything he does is under a microscope and where consequences are seen and felt. He is acting as if he can just pretend that things are like they were in the 90s where he can show up, gladhand with donors and his colleagues across the isle, cash a check, work 4 months out of the year, and insider trade. He cant. The problem is that he is also intrinsically part of the democratic party machinery so no one can force him out. He needs to be primaried at a minimum.

[–] khepri@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

He wants the good old days back, when both parties shared equally in the grift and everyone in the political elite understood what the game was and how to keep it running. Schumer gets that to keep the machine running (that has made them all very wealthy and powerful while working about 85 days a year) he's going to have to go under the boot and take us all with him.

[–] xc2215x@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Schumer is more centrist than liberal.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

Liberal can be a centre or centre-right position, as the term is used in many contexts. But it has a range of meanings, which can cause confusion and misunderstanding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

He wants to become the head coach of the Washington Generals.

[–] santa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

He’s not “trying” — he is caving.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

He isn't caving... this was planned.

The ratchet keeps turning it all to the MAGA side.

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Simple:

In world politics, USA Moderate Democrats are Center-Right on the scale

So they might as well be 2 sides of the same party

Sure there are some good moderates but majority have been failing us for too long.

So look into/research/volunteer for Run For Something. They train Progressive candidates and won many of their elections couple days ago when we won big

They take no AIPAC, & actively make sure their members do not. They are growing nationally their bench & have on Substack RFS Feel Good. Which weekly updates people with accomplishments they have collectively completed over the years

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