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capitalism's worst enemy has been socialism, most vocally communism.

what was the counteracting -ism to feudalism during the ages? was the counteracting -ism a different one at some point?

all replies welcome, serious textwalls and unserious oneliners alike vice versa

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[–] leadore@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In Europe, what ended feudalism wasn't so much a counteracting -ism, but the bubonic plague, which in the first wave wiped out nearly a third of the population, so many people that the remaining peasants' labor was suddenly worth a lot more, giving them much more bargaining power for better wages and working conditions.

See https://chronodigest.com/how-the-black-death-broke-feudalism/

[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So, you're saying we need a deadly virus that kills a massive chunk of the population? I'll see what I can do.

[–] Darkenfolk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

Please don't. Just wash yourself weekly at least please.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

No, I'm not saying anything about what we need, just providing some historical context around what brought feudalism to an end -- and replaced it with capitalism.

[–] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

feudalisms biggest enemy was capitalism. it perfected slavery and organized everyone willingly in exchange for stable trade of goods and services that they otherwise would not have access to. it lead to the industrial revolution, and its fast growth quickly convinced formerly feudal countries (like japan, as an example) to modernize their technological standards, as welll as their economies, so they could participate in that same system. out of fear of being left behind.

obviously capitalism has its flaws, its a horrible system with an expiration date that seems to be only a few short decades away now. and ironically its likely going to be surpassed by techno feudalism, or if a miracle happens, some form of democratic socialism.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yes you can see this culturally in the old stereotypes about “old money” versus “new money.”

Rich family with a hereditarily passed down fortune, lands, and control = old money = feudalism.

Entrepreneur who came from nothing but tok advantage of emerging economies to become wealthy overnight = new money = capitalism.

Old money hates new money because capitalism dethroned feudalism.

[–] Fokeu@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago
[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)
[–] db2@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

And showers. Just saying.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago
[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Anarchism. It sounds scary and dangerous and insane, because you've been taught to casually believe it is so you shut down your brain about it and back away slowly, but it is the worst enemy of any structure that elevates one person above another. Feudalism certainly included.

It's really about equality, and the abolishment of artificial hierarchy and leadership. But it doesn't sound so scary like that. And the powers that be (which are all on top of said hierarchies) would prefer that you not be too interested in that.

I'm not personally an anarchist per-se, but I do believe it contains some valuable ideas and it deserves a lot more serious consideration and conversation than it gets. (cue: people immediately dogpiling about how bad and stupid it is despite never having studied it at all or been interested in it in any serious way)

Eat the rich, and shit anarchy. It may not solve the world's problems, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't an improvement. Except for the rich, obviously. At this point, fuck them. Crooks, sociopaths, and pedophiles, the lot of them as far as I'm concerned..

[–] justaman123@lemmy.world 0 points 3 days ago

Yeah I think if we are like really lucky we get a few awful years of corptocracy collapse as AGI and ASI create post scarcity and we end up with a kind of solar punk anarchy

[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Christian feudalism imagined Islam as it's enemy (first thing that popped into my mind, I'm not an expert)

[–] baka@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 days ago

Realistically it's Judaism not Islam.. Islam believes in Jesus, Judaism calls him a false prophet entirely.

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

There wasn't really any challenge to it because of the absolute nature of the states control and the concept of human rights not really being a thing at that point to n history. The most powerful oppositional forces to the feudal lords were mainly the clergy originally, although they had many shared interests, and eventually the mercent class who was cosmopolitan and traveled and grew up in better circumstances.

Under feudalism around 20% of the population was considered nobility and the rest were peasents, serfs, or coloni. Nobles generally owned all the land and businesses and sometimes had political rights or fiefdoms which were like property that could be passed down.

Medieval societies often used torture, execution, and abuse as well as religious brainwashing to control their subjects. The nobility also guarded knowledge about war and currency and other things, like reading to oppress the subjects who worked the land.

Taxes were generally low. Around 20-25% of their crop. The rights of serfs varied from region to region.

Really the biggest adversary to feudalism was other feudal lords, then the clergy, and at times conspiracies of finance and empires. The feudal kingdoms often aided each other in giving asylum to war criminals or relieving each other from riots, or trying to install friendly nobles in neighboring areas. They often intervened to put back into place other monarchies when they were overthrown.

I don't think there was an -ism that fits this bill. Feudalism's end boss was enlightenment thinking and it had to play the level for a century before it could say it had beat it, at least feudalism in a traditional sense.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] bluemoon@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It was a ritual of social inversion (a fool was crowned king, the ruling class was mocked and identities were concealed, religious and social rules were relaxed, etc.)

There are differing views, but one theory is that it served as a reminder to both lords and commoners that the social order could be overthrown if the lords became too oppressive.

[–] bluemoon@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago

long live jesters jokers clowns !

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Capitalism, socialism and communism share the same enemy, greed and leaders without morale.


Instead of downvoting, give me examples where it didn't work out that way 😂