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Any 22 year old who’s upset about taxes is very very clearly being manipulated

Ask her to read the links from her ChatGPT queries with you. Do it together. Show her how ChatGPT is confidently and convincingly lying to her. And each time she comes back with another result from a biased prompt, do it again. Eventually she'll at least stop trying to convince you that ChatGPT knows all, out of embarrassment.

my dude, you have a sister who is going to chatgpt for facts, Id feel that she's in a lot more trouble than being a trump supporter.

have the AI cite it sources for the claims it makes, and read through those sources. ask the AI what information it used in the source to come up with its statement.

using chatGPT in this way is like how I used Wikipedia growing up: just pull up an article on something, check out what citations an article had, and walk it backwards from there

Ask what it would take to convince her.

She will probably require something which is just not practically possible.

If her assertion is not falsifiable, then its based on faith. You can't argue with that.

edit: I've thought about this a little bit more and realised that this approach won't work with something nebulous like "my sister supports the Trump presidency". It's a good tactic with specific beliefs like "the Earth is flat". Subjective statements like "Trump is the best president" are subjective statements of opinion.

What does she actually know about?

Doesn't matter what it is, literally any topic that she knows about, even if it's the Kardashians.

One day ask her a question about it, then ask whatever chatbot she trusts, if they're not the same, tell her she's wrong and if she doesn't believe you to ask her AI.

A big reason people think AI is smart, is they never ask it about something they know.

That sounds basic, but it means they never notice when any of their questions get a wrong answer.

Getting them to ask it about topics they know about, means they get to see how it can fail, and how a small initial error it makes can be extrapolated to the point everything else is bullshit.

Once they learn it's not always right, they're less likely to blindly trust it. That leads to them double checking some things, seeing it's bullshitting more, and then double checking it more.

You need to replace the AI feedback loop with the rage loop. It ain't hard to get a conservative there, get them to the point they're asking chatbots questions they already know the answer too, just to see it get it wrong.

Ethics aside, if we don't manipulate the idiots, someone else is going to do it.

born of 2 immigrants who also voted for Trump

Ho boy, I wonder how they're feeling now with ICE running wild.

You can't help morons unfortunately.

My father is Gen 1 of immigrant parents. His parents HATED Trump. Yet he voted for Trump all three times.

I have a GenZ sister-in-law that uses ChatGPT for relationship advice. Like copies and pastes responses from men into ChatGPT and asks what they're "really saying" or "what their intentions are", instead of you know, JUST ASKING THE PERSON OUTRIGHT.

We're fucked

Maybe more women are dumping religion. This would be the natural backlash from taking their reproductive rights away, because it's very common to become sceptical when some ideology starts to hurt you.

why not both

The atomization of our perspectives is what allowed the cancer to metastasize.

Most people don't browse forums, most people don't read news stories, most people don't fact-check or watch debates or listen to pundits talk for more than 3 minutes.

This should normally lead to rapidly shifting political landscapes, but we're all being a carefully cultivated feed of validating and self-affirming information that makes people feel a lack of involvement and urgency. You see it right here on Lemmy, people are reposting all the pandering news site bullshit every day "Trump and MAGA is collapsing!" "Trump HUMILIATED by latest release!" "GOP is crashing and people are fleeing the sinking ship!"

For every headline like that you read, people who lean right are seeing the exact opposite. And since we've all isolated ourselves from social connection, we don't see how atomized our worlds are, we just assume everyone is seeing the same headlines and it makes us complacent.

They made a mistake in their first big election, and now many seem to realize how fucked over they were. That will stick with them for LIFE, and many will never trust the right for the rest of their lives.

Don't forget, many were voting at 18/19, only knowing life in their hometown. In 2028, many will be graduating from college, and they'll have had a much wider experience with other people and ideas, and won't tolerate MAGA bullshit as easily, especially when they recognize that MAGA policies are intended to oppress them for the rest of their lives.

It's just the nature of the population who will flock towards an authoritarian, they're not making rational, thought-out choices, they're JUST following a narrative of feelings. It could flip 180-degrees the next day and they will go with that new storyline if it validates their anger or frustration or just the need to follow a soap-opera of pundits and angry shouting people on TV.

That's almost certainly because somewhere in your life, someone taught you Critical Thinking Skills, and you can recognize bullshit propaganda almost instantly.

Learning Critical Thinking Skills is as important as learning to read, and basic math. Conservatives hate it, because it interferes with their propaganda, and are trying to ban it from the public school curriculum (even though it's heavily stressed in private schools, because it's an essential leadership skill).

I think most people want a radical.

The current system isn't working for the majority of normal people.

They'll vote for change every time, and never get it.

they don't want radical. they want jobs and a stabilized cost of living. they want to feel like they have a future.

trump focused on economic issues, and got their votes. if the next democrats can push forward economic reforms that improve the economy... they will get the votes. Kamala absolutely refused to run on any agenda of economic reform and endorse Biden's inflation economy.

Half of Gen Z doesn't remember a time when Trumpism wasn't normal. They don't know how the economy should be, how diplomacy should be, anything. They just heard Trump saying Biden was a pussy, and Biden acted like a pussy, so they believe Trump was the only reliable narrator. It took these people a great deal to overcome it - I heard a lot of younger people saying Trump was the peaceful, anti-war President. Now that they realize that was a lie, other dominoes are falling.

Shifting narrative, it's part of the perpetual political swing.

Shit is always going to suck, and people have attention spans that last maybe 3 years at the most. Shit is sucking right now, and people are associating that suckiness with the people and faces who appear on their TV.

For further evidence of this very dumb, simple phenomenon, look at 2024 exit polling in the presidential election. Overwhelming results said that average Americans saw eggs and other basic necessity prices skyrocketing and connected that to Biden being in power, so the reaction is to over-correct and pick someone as far from Biden as possible. People weren't thinking about policy, people don't watch news or listen to debates. People get their information from 30 minutes of Facebook memes every sunday night while getting ready for bed.

Eh. For people choosing to vote for a fascist or sit out the election, the better choice is to sit it out. We should accept the little victory of them not voting at all if the alternative was Trumpism

So far, the Gen Zs that have entered Congress, like Max Frost, have been spectacularly successful. We need a lot more of them in government. They know they have the rare opportunity to steer America in an entirely new direction, and they are ready to go to WAR over it.

I'll take ANY Gen Z over that cowardly bitch Schmuck Schumer, any day.

Ah yes, the Hillary Clinton strategy...

You're aware these people will be voting for another ~50 years right?

They're idiot kids who were taken advantage of, and you want to drive them to the right, by acting like someone on the right?

If you want to help, maybe you should become a Republican and chase people away from that party?

If you don't want the R by your name to help the left, I don't understand why you're literally and significantly helping the right in that very comment

Do you just not under the ramifications of advocating for chasing teenagers away from the Dem party for life because of one vote?

I mean, we just got Hillary, Biden, and Kamala shoved down our throats. Lots of people who didn't vote for any of those three can still be dependable lifelong Dem voters moving forward

We just have to stop shoving uncharismatic conservatives down their throats because "it's the only other option".