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Why can't we have Doom except instead of shooting monsters, we have to manage train schedules? In space?

It's important to know your audience. it's also important to know your not-audience.

My favorite thing about Sandy Peterson is that he is a Mormon. Not that I like that he's religious. But when he was applying to ID Software to make Doom levels, they were concerned about his religious background. Then he said his famous line "I have no problems with the demons in the game. They're just cartoons. And, anyway, they're the bad guys."

But when they said, "Well at least you're not like one of the crazy ones who carries a card!" And Sandy whips out his Mormon card...

Fuckin' A. This guy is great.

One of the keys to being happy is just letting other people enjoy things.

If they want to strike up chats with demons they should give Shin Megami Tensei a whirl.

If you try to please everyone, you will please no one.

I feel the bad feedback trope is inverted in 2025. Devs will release a game, get a solid audience, then completely change mechanics or style or direction for no apparent reason. The audience complains (pointing out what they like in the original release), the devs tell them to kick rocks and the game shrivels up and dies.

cough ^Battlebit^ cough

Isn’t this something that happens in Balder’s Gate 3?

“If into the diplomacy options you go, only pain will you find.”

I would also be mad if a demon said that to me. That's not nice :c

Games like System Shock and Deus Ex are examples of "FPS" games with alternatives to shooting. Those kinds of games are completely my jam. I love to find a way to complete the whole level without ever firing a shot. The Deus Ex remake had an achievement for passing a level without ever being spotted in an unauthorized place, never setting off an alarm, etc. It also had one for completing a level without killing anybody. It took 5x as long, but I made sure to get both those achievements on every level.

I'm sure the id software crew knew what they were doing, and the market for demon-murdering FPS games is probably much bigger than the market for First Person Sneakers. OTOH, there are currently a glut of FPS murder games, so there's probably a real niche for someone who's willing to create a game where shooting is possible, and happens sometimes, but stealth and nonviolence is also an option.

bruh "your mom sucks demon cocks"

of course he was mad lmao

I kinda like and appreciate the theme that:

• We should try talking things out with people
• some people will never accept any negotiation
• People (or demons) that don’t negotiate are the ideal candidate for violence

Doom feels so much more cathartic if you can gather a setup where all the demons deserve each ounce of pain.

Oh hey, a chance to mention my second favorite Doom wad!

I don't think Sandy did much game design on Doom though. He was mainly a level designer who came in late in the project to finish the levels started by Tom Hall, who had left id software, and to grind out levels for the third episode. By the time Sandy joined id software, Doom (the engine and game mechanics) was already pretty much the game it was going to be.

I should also say that the maps he made for Doom and Doom 2 are by far my least favorite in the game.

After genuinely laughing at this, I anecdottaly remember my father asking, "If your home sick, why are you playing vidya games?"...it was 'Rise of the Triad" at the time...

Expected more people arguing about dark souls in here. There's usually a contingent of people going at it over "I want to win on the first or maybe second try" vs "the game is about failing repeatedly until you persevere"

Wasn't the original vision of Doom closer to an RPG than the action game it came out to be? I know I read somewhere (one of the books written about development of the game) it was originally meant to have a bigger story, multiple characters, dialogue, etc.

Now I'm imagining Undertale but in the doom format

This can be overused though. There are dumb mechanics and choices in Fromsoft games that the megafans bend over backwards to defend, and say you're just "not into the genre" if you criticise them... yet millions of people play and enjoy the games but dislike those aspects.