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[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 hours ago

In the end, the US empire listed about 250 years. Maybe they stumble along shitting themselves for another 50 years, but this is likely the beginning of the end considering they've destroyed any trust with other powers for generations, and done so right at the time when they needed this ethical narrative to constrain China's dominance. Like many other empires they became arrogant and shit all over everyone else, and eventually the knives come out.

250, maybe 300 years. Pretty mid, to be honest. Just average. Not really the powerful and unique exemplar they envisioned, just a standard run of the mill power that let the success get to their heads.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 17 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Okay.

So these protests, obviously, didn't do anything, as expected.

Can you start doing general, country-wide strikes to hit the Cheeto where it hurts? No violence needed,and let's hope that stays that way, but you gotta do more than just hold up a disagreement sign at this point.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Americans(we) are not going to do a general strike.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Don't think it matters, unless the stock market took a tumble.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

The stock market is largely a fiction now.

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 11 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Let's not give everyone a pass by saying he's a dictator. Trump is backed by scores of powerful Republicans who could've stopped this, and by tens of millions of MAGA cultists who are cheering everything he does.

[–] Yaztromo@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

But that’s true of virtually every dictator. You don’t get to be a dictator without a plethora of yes-men who are willing to implement the whims of the dictator without question. Dictators need True Believers to implement their plans, and oppress any opposition. That’s a basic facet of any dictatorship.

[–] SereneSadie@quokk.au 8 points 10 hours ago

Im glad at least one article is calling it what it is.

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

If Americans can't organise a general strike when their president goes rogue and kidnaps another president illegally, when are they going to? I'm done holding out expecting Americans to deal with their bullshit. Were all going to need to be the ones

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 hours ago

I don't think the USA has ever done a general strike. We can barely manage a boycott. I don't think there is anyone who could possibly lead it. No one here has that kind of respect and charisma. Maybe Obama could? But that's not our tradition to have former Presidents continue to be political leaders — just fund raisers.

Plus we have no protection from retaliation. General strike is just asking everyone to no show. That's a write up or a firing. Goodbye health insurance. Not even any unemployment because that would be getting fired for cause.

Which is a lot of defeatism, I know, but how the fuck do you do it??? .5% participation isn't going to get us anywhere.

That aside, yeah. Don't expect us to do any better than any other historical democracy that voted in an autocrat. Unless someone is going to do us like we did Venezuela, or somehow we manage to have actual, fair elections this year, we're the bad guys going forward. And even then we'll just clap ourselves on the back and sing how awesome our country and forefathers are because we survived someone like Trump and just keep on keeping on like we didn't narrowly avert the end of the nation.

And I guarantee we'll vote in another Republican administration within the next 15 years. We're all (the world) pretty fucked. Let's not do global superpowers any more.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Who knew in 2026 it would be the beginning of 1939, except this time USA are the bad guys?

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 points 7 hours ago

We're ahead of schedule compared to nazi Germany. Yay us.

[–] Tehbaz@lemmy.wtf 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

They won't in the end. As long as it's their neighbor getting kidnapped and not them or their family, they are content to complain on social media because it requires minimal effort. The rest of the free world need to sanction the Trump regime and start freezing assets ASAP, otherwise we will all be fighting a war against the fascist states of America.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Because Gaza, apparently.

Oh, and the two parties are equivalent.

And vegemite is delicious!

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Most of us don't have the support for that. Our bills don't stop when we're on strike. Maybe those in unions can do something but the rest of us would be fucked by doing that. I'm certainly not going to ruin my life on the off chance it actual gets that moron to change his ways.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

Do you think that freedom fighters throughout history haven't had everything on the line? The American revolutionaries all had padded bank accounts and their bills paid off?

You don’t stop protesting because your lives are shit. You do it because of it.

[–] VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 hours ago

The leaders of the American revolution were some of the wealthiest, most powerful, most influential people in the colonies.

It's like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos deciding that Trump's tariffs are costing them too much money so they commit to organizing and overthrowing him, not a bunch of farmers and laborers managing to organize a rebellion

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Not the same situation at all. The American revolutionaries had the continental congress organizing and funding the war effort. Also it was a lot easier to get back on your feet from being financially destitute back then than it is today where it costs much more to simply exist due to landlords, corporations, and the government all constantly bleeding us for every dollar we make.

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 hours ago

What about every other fucking resistance in history

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The point stands. There have been countless uprisings, revolutions, strikes, etc where the people didn't have a nice bank account.

it costs much more to simply exist due to landlords, corporations, and the government all constantly bleeding us for every dollar we make.

Are you saying you have it worse that medieval peasants? Because they literally owned nothing and rose up time and time again against their lords. People a lot weaker than you consider yourself have changed the world.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Because they literally owned nothing

So they had nothing to lose. No debts to fall behind on, no credit scores to ruin, no government agencies tracking them everywhere they went, no criminal records. If their revolt didn't work out, as long as they could provide labor they could move around and find a place where they were needed. Their quality of life would be relatively unchanged. For us if we take action and fail we will be dramatically worse off. We need to be organized and have a means to protect each other when things get bad before we can do much. Hopping on facebook and telling everyone not to go to work next week isn't going to cut it.

[–] Brainsploosh@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Sure, I could have helped prevent the New Holocaust, but I had to think about my credit score you see.

(History books 2130)

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world -5 points 7 hours ago

Yeah, but that generation was made different.

[–] Kraiden@piefed.social 35 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Hey America, could you, like, do something about your fascist dictator please? He's getting really 4th reich-y

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, they're busy doubling down on the fact that they let a moron rapist into office and blaming the party and system for their life's choices. Smh. It's only year two.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 9 points 7 hours ago

We're still on year one....

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 7 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

I think we're all still holding out hoping that the midterms this year can somehow fix this, if not it's either about to get real End-of-the-USSR-y or real Tienanmen-Square-y.

In the meantime, support the DNC vocally, that's the best we can do for now.

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The midterms can't fix this. The most the midterms can do is deliver a majority in the House. We can't roll back anything and we can't hold anyone accountable with just the House. You can block legislation, but Trump has basically gone around Congress anyway so that he doesn't have to compromise with non-MAGA Republicans.

Even IF the election is fair (big IF, if you ask me), it still is basically useless. 2024 was the end of a functional federal government.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 2 points 6 hours ago

20 Republicans are up for reelection in the senate. If all of them lost, Trump could be removed. If 13 of them lost, the senate could change the rules and he could be removed. If just 6 or 7 of them lost, then the senate could change the rules for fillibuster and potentially remove him or at least heavily restrict his actions, while passing more progressive reforms than any time in the past 13 years. To be clear about that, the US Senate has had 48 or less DNC for over 13 years, things could change drastically for the better in this midterm election.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 12 points 11 hours ago

support the DNC vocally

Why should we support the DNC when the leadership of the DNC is supporting Trump's war crimes?

Read the responses from Jeffries and Schumer- they aren't the opposition party, they are manufacturing consent for this 'military operation'.

If we actually want to change the situation we need to fix the DNC, not blindly support it.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 8 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

I think we’re all still holding out hoping that the midterms this year

The last time he lost elections he incited an insurrection. He practically admitted Elon cheated for him in 2024. He's gerrymandering across the country. He doesn't give a shit about the law. He will never willingly loosen his grip on power. By all means keep up the fight at the midterms but it will not save you. He will never leave that office or give up power while he's alive.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

End-of-the-USSR-y

Definitely not. That was relatively peaceful and harmless, even though it took barely a decade to get another dictator.

Tienanmen-Square-y

Much more likely. Aren't they already deploying the military against their own citizens?

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 hours ago

Hey now Yugoslavia is right there they also broke up in the 1990s. But yeah my personal bet is that Trump is probably gonna do something stupid like try to force a state to accept a Republican candidate who lost which will rapidly spiral into dissolving the US. Also they have deployed the National Guard but they aren't really playing ball, they keep either standing around or picking up trash.

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

The midterms aren't even in view yet and the guy has kidnapped a South American president. You guys aren't making it to midterms, and they'll be show elections anyway

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[–] AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago

Next nationwide 50501 protest is Jan 20th.

I have no doubt that, in addition to the spontaneous protests on Saturday, there are many more demonstrations whose planning has been kicked into high gear by the events of this weekend.

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 28 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Hey, you don't throw a 250th anniversary party every year. You have to make sure it's a BIG one.

[–] AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

If only there was an appropriately named "Big Party" happening somewhere important to the country sometime this year......

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 3 points 13 hours ago

...until the bitter end.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Not new actions America has always been a "rouge state" if that has any meaning.

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 hours ago

Not just rouge, also blanc et bleu

[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 19 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If only he had an arch he could "proudly" walk under right now /s

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You can always have one. You just need to kidnap a head of the state in which there is one. You already did once, it can't be that hard to do it a second time.

[–] homes@piefed.world 5 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Maduro was the second time. The first time was Noriega with Bush 1.

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