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The original food pyramid was designed when starvation was a major concern, and so makes sense in that context.
The "my plate" was a fair adjustment that refocused on quality of food in a world of plenty.
I have no idea what a "upside down pyramid" is supposed to be.
The food plate can still suck my theoretical dick. It includes an entire portion for something 70% of the world can't digest.
Blame big dairy.
Climate Town is the fucking best. Hilarious and informative as fuck.
It wasn't designed for the entire world? What % of Americans can process dairy? 95+%?
The goal is to continue the ideological push towards overconsumption of animal products.
The original food pyramid was designed when ~~starvation was a major concern~~ wheat was massively subsidized.
FTFY
The food pyramid was adopted in the US in 1992.
I remember being taught about a food pyramid in a US health class at least a decade before.
Bullshit. Before the food pyramid was the 4 food groups. I was in us public school before 1992 as well.
Maybe your school had a time machine that took forward ten years to when it was adopted?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_USDA_nutrition_guidelines
Or maybe you were in a Swedish immersion school that taught the original Swedish version?
It must have been the basic food groups then, and at some point my memory of it merged with the food pyramid once it hit the US.
I have no idea what a “upside down pyramid” is supposed to be.
Basically, eat shit peasants. After swimming in it.
The site’s echoes language echoes that of Kennedy’s rhetoric, saying the update ends “the war on protein.”
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LOL, talking about a "war on protein" as if that's a thing is like idiot cons talking about a "war on xmas". 🤣
If anything, marketing and the culture is pushing wayyyyy too much protein at every turn.
Well too bad, because it's a thing now and you'll start seeing it parroted with the new talking points any day now
You are probably right, since the qons have been acting like a "war on xmas" is really just accepted by all normal human adults as being a real thing, even when people laugh right in their face when they claim it. I'll be interested to see how they can push it even harder - I've been a vegetarian for quite some time and the conversations I've had/been subjected to with omnivores and gym bros over rather basic nutrition things, most especially protein, has always been....wild.
But now every single menu seems to list things like "pick your protein", making the situation even stupider. I thought that was already peak stupidity, but now things like Doritos are advertising their protein content. I mean....I just can't even.
Even Lewis Black ended up skewering this level of dumb. Veg-ns have been snickering about this idiocy for years, believe me, but AFAIK, Black is not a veg-n.
I actually prefer the pick your protein thing as a pescatarian, because it usually implies that there's a meatless option like tofu, fake meat, or beans rather than just getting a "no meat" version that really wants for an umami core to it
The problem from a nutrition standpoint is that this gives the false impression to a lot of people that only these things have protein in them.
A lot of rather low-info types already ask me "where's your protein?" if they know I'm vegetarian and are looking at my plate and don't see a big helping of something dead on it. In addition, I get a lot of "but I could never eat tofu" kinds of comments when it comes up. When I ask what tofu has to do with anything, they assert things like "well, you have to make up your lack of protein SOMEHOW". Implication being that only meat or tofu have protein?
Qdoba is an example - online order, if you choose to create a burrito, it has (as last option, naturally) - "Vegetarian (No Protein)". Meanwhile, the two main things that go in the burrito are beans and rice, LOL. I'm not saying that it's the job of outlets like Qdoba to educate about nutrition, but they sure are not helping, and in fact, they are reaffirming a lot of stupid ideas that I've heard going back decades...now that so many people are vegan or vegetarian, you'd think they would do better.
I just don't think the marketing and the menu layouts are helping to educate people at all about this particular macronutrient, LOL. The old joke the vegans and vegetarians like to tell is when is the last time you've heard of someone dying from protein deficiency, but the way the culture acts about protein you'd think there is a real shortage of it going on...
Why are you censoring the word vegan?
You'll typically see this used with an asterisk (acting as a wildcard) to combine both vegetarians and vegans. But a star will act as markup to add italics.
This is from realfood.gov, which the article links to.
Just s big chunk of butter in the middle. The most important food group of them all.
This is a fucking mess. So meat and dairy should be consumed in equal amounts as fruits and veggies? What's in that bowl in the middle? Kidney beans and cottage cheese? What's the fat/protein ratio of the ground beef? You want me to eat the entire chicken? Canned green beans??? Canned tuna??? I guarantee they didn't but they really should beta test this stuff with normal people to see if they actually understand it.
I agree that protein should be a primary factor in someone's diet but it's completely ignoring nutrient makeup in favor of just saying "eat meat".
I was expecting a dose of heroin with a large helping of brain worms on top.
It's far from the worst thing this guy has done. If they moved dairy and animal fats down towards the bottom along with seed oils, and keep only olive oil above the grain line, then move red meats near the bottom and have lean white meats and fish somewhere in the middle near bottom, it would be pretty good.
Didn't South Park do this years ago?
Its funny when its comedy but someone really needs to kill the parasite and save the worm.
I mean it seems sensible. Eat more veggies and fewer grains. The infographic isn't as informative as the old pyramid, but broken clocks and what not, he's right that the old one was more informed by lobbyists.
They stopped using the pyramid a longtime ago, but yeah this one isn't bad:
As a pile of (mostly) healthy food it's fine. But as an infographic it completely sucks.
EDIT: It's interesting they would have frozen peas at the top (mostly empty starch) but whole grains at the bottom (assuming the bottom means "sparingly"). Also red meat and butter should not be a large part of anyone's daily calories.
I'm not defending the pyramid overall, only commenting on the peas.
Peas have a decent amount of protein (not high protein, but decent) and a good amount of fiber. They are generally pretty good and probably a better choice than things people might eat instead. They are basically beans after all. They are certainly not empty starch and are pretty easy to add to many dishes.
I was taught they are starchy but that was grade school days and I won't die on this hill. I certainly didn't mean to imply peas were unhealthy. What I found odd is that they are on opposite ends of the pyramid from "whole grains" which is a carb I would personally say is on about the same level as peas overall.
Yeah it seems to overvalue dairy and red meat for what I believe is a healthy diet, but I'm also an unhealthy layman, not a nutritionist.
Some guidance on portions or quantities seems useful and totally absent here, but "eat more fruits and veggies" seems like good advice.
I'd put eggs and fish above steak and cheese, but, yeah, as another poster replied, I'm not being paid by any cattle lobbyists.
Yeah, the whole dairy thing when it comes to propaganda is just...wild. Same goes for red meat.
I really wish we could completely erase money's influence on things like government nutritional information and THEN do a proper reassessment of dairy and meat in general.
I really hope there is more information to it. Imagine trying to downsize a department to 60,000 workers asking 1 person to do this, giving them a year and coming back and them just handing you this picture. 2000 hours of labor, I think I'd be flabbergasted
It really is just kind of a vibe, isn't it.
Also red meat and butter should not be a large part of anyone's daily calories.
Won't anyone think of the beef and dairy industry lobbyists, though?
It looks like healthy fats are together in a 'category' with olive oil > avocado > butter > nuts. I would swap butter and nuts but it kinda makes a bit of sense, just is very unclear especially to a layperson. The oil needs to be specifically labeled 'olive', the yogurt needs to be Greek unsweetened bc 99% of yogurts add a shitload of sugar, and red meat should be way further down
That's actually leftover bear from Central Park. Rfk has been looking for any place to dump it
Thank god healthy eating was a messaging problem and not an access/affordability problem. The country is all but saved! /s
Sorry, I only take nutritional advice from Doctor Marilyn Manson
(Apologies for the weird vid site link, I couldn't find a good version in the usual places)
Upside pyramid.
Carbs->Fruits and veggies->Protein and fats->Whatever Crack RFK Jr. Is smoking.