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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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RULES

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ALLIES

!abolition@slrpnk.net

!acab@lemmygrad.ml

r/ACAB

r/BadCopNoDonut/

Randy Balko

The Civil Rights Lawyer

The Honest Courtesan

Identity Project

MirandaWarning.org

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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ORGANIZATIONS

Black Lives Matter

Campaign Zero

Innocence Project

The Marshall Project

Movement Law Lab

NAACP

National Police Accountability Project

Say Their Names

Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration

 

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Right after ICE Agent Johnathan Ross executed a US citizen in cold blood

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Gotta say, first time I've seen a police group so dedicated to driving home the ACAB messaging.

Any police organization standing behind what is clearly shown to be an abuse of authority by plainly recorded evidence should be disbanded, as they are clearly more interested in threats to their authority than why they have the authority in the first place.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't "presume innocence" when I see someone shooting someone else in the face. Kind of stupid.

It doesn't matter if a judge and jury says so or disagrees, he still shot her in the face while in absolutely no danger.

He's guilty, independent of any court ruling, it's not debatable.

[–] Feedback17@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

The fake cop/murdeter gets innocence presumed, but not the innocent woman he executed? Every cop should get what they deserve.

[–] NorthoftheBorder@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago

Killing and kidnapping citizens is what ACTUALLY makes law enforcement work more dangerous, and yet this letter sure sounds a lot like "stop resisting." Hmm.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bites.

Law enforcement officers wield a significant amount of power over civilians, and should be held to a higher level of standard and scrutiny. You know, with great powers comes great responsibilities.

Maybe one reason why there is systematic condemnation when a law enforcement official is involved in a crime is because the population is increasingly mistrustful because of incompetent officers that tarnishes your profession by acting recklessly and with apparent impunity?

An important aspect of policing is to defuse and deescalate situations when possible, not make a bad situation worse. This communication does none of that. If you want to regain trust, be the better person and use this tragic event to improve, not double down.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 6 points 2 days ago

You are asking fascist paramilitary goons to be the bigger person. It's not gonna work.

[–] demonmariner@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Where did this come from? I'd like to see the original and it's not on their website.

[–] MountainVeil@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I found a Breitbart article and an X post from the MNFOP. Still looking for a non-nazi source, but it's legit. Fucking disgusting pigs. The facts are already out, have been since the start.

And of course, nothing about all the bald-faced lies coming from Trump or Norm. No calls of restraint to them. These fuckers make me sick.

[–] OR3X@lemmy.world 226 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The lady they shot sure didn't get any of that due process. Hypocrites.

[–] Smeagol666@crazypeople.online 8 points 2 days ago

Pigs gonna fucking "oink".

[–] zeppo@lemmy.world 197 points 3 days ago (8 children)

"When citizens are accused of a crime, they are given the presumption of innocence as afforded by due process. When there is an incident involving law enforcement, politicians and activists immediately condemn those involved and are scrambling for sound bits. They do not afford them the same due process but rather convict them in a public court of opinion while an investigation is barely beginning"

Well, that's an absurd claim. Simply being arrested for a crime is often enough for the public to believe that a private citizen is guilty, and they can lose employment, business deals, a marriage or relationship long before any "due process" occurs. When police are accused of a crime, often they face no consequences at all, and if they are charged, they get the exact same due process as any other citizen.

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 109 points 3 days ago (3 children)

also, cops are immune to prosecution, so the court of public opinion is like, all they have

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The ruling in Harlow v Fitzgerald was actually illegal according to the full text of the law as written and passed. SCOTUS was given an illegally amended copy of the law.

http://web.archive.org/web/20230520080201/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html

Qualified Immunity is illegal.

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[–] duckCityComplex@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Also ironic since in this case the President and Secretary of Homeland Security immediately came out stating that the victim was a domestic terrorist and tried to murder the ICE agent with her car before any investigation was conducted, and both of which turned out to be false.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also ironic because they executed her on the spot by shooting her in the face.

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[–] Mist101@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

~~exact same due process as any other citizen~~ treated like an innocent person and are often moved districts for a fresh start FTFY

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[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

ACAB verified

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did this shitty letter come from the GOP HQ in fucking Moscow? If not, the Fraternal Order of Police is fucked in the head.

[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

They aren't Russian, nor are they "fucked in the head", they're fascists, doing fascist stuff. ACAB.

[–] AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago
[–] bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fraternal Order of Police

What kind of cringe ass fucking name is that?

ACAB

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Oink oink is all I see here

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 70 points 3 days ago

"Doing their jobs"

What does that job involve? Murder, surveillance, imprisonment, harassment of the community?

Yeah jeez wonder why it's such an issue

[–] Feedback17@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do Republicans have posters of Hitler in their homes?

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 3 points 2 days ago

I mean, they did rush to clear out Jonathan Ross's home before anyone else could get to it...

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Fucking bootlickers

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 61 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Innocent people don't have to hide behind masks you stupid motherfuckers.

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[–] Hypnotoad_@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago
[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

If they were doing their jobs, and their jobs are "shoot people in face", then that's a job that shouldn't exist

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In the war between ICE and civilians, the police have declared they’re siding with ICE. They have identified themselves as your enemy, and everyone should act accordingly.

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[–] DeICEAmerica@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

So the dirty fuck PIGS have drawn their line. Cool. You are still WOEFULLY outnumbered.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

So what's the plan? Continue paying your taxes and support them?

[–] rayyy@piefed.social 55 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The Minnesota Fraternal Order of Police folks apparently are blind or totally corrupt because the videos show one of their own executing a citizen in broad daylight with many witnesses present. Their response is to lie like criminals.
They will be judged to be on the wrong side of history.

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Let me get this right. They are claiming ICE with a straight face!?

This has got to be a joke, who in their right mind would try to cover for ICE. This police union owes them nothing and if anything ICE is making policing more dangerous by allowing poorly trained officers to damage law enforcement reputation.

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Police "unions" across the country are solidly pro-trump, so of course they love the brownshirts

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

"The hateful and anti-law enforcement rhetoric by ...... Have made their jobs.... more dangerous and difficult"

Uh, not at all it's statements like these ones which take the side of people who are illegally kidnapping people on the streets with no due process that make it more dangerous since people get more fed up by the fact the people who are supposed to protect them are trying to murder them and lie about it.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I miss the days when people admitted wrongdoing occasionally. What we have now is denial of obvious facts caught on video and millions of liars contradicting said facts and they will continue to lie about them, in perpetuity.

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[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 9 points 2 days ago

Jesus Christ whenever I read something about the Americans I can't help but remember most of them can barely read, not least armed ICE thugs.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 33 points 3 days ago

funny how the idea of felony murder is turned upside down when the police do it

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 3 days ago

Make no mistake, the court and law system are supposed to operate under the presumption of innocence. If someone sees a video of someone else murdering someone then the law will do their thing (or try and the FBI will block the investigation... classy) but people who actually watch the video footage from multiple angles can come to their own conclusions.

Btw i knew Jonathan Ross checked his mask after walking back from the vehicle but watching the footage again he also checked his mask IMMEDIATELY after firing, before even putting the gun back in it's holster....The kind of thing you'd do if you're thinking "oh shit i just fucked up, i hope they don't figure out my name is Jonathan Ross."

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 38 points 3 days ago

Normally a group of people perverting the course of justice by covering up each other's crimes is called a criminal conspiracy. As an aside, what about female cops? Do they have their own gender-segregated old girls club or do they need a male 'sponsor' to get the same ass-coverage?

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 34 points 3 days ago
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

As has been said before, and will be said again:

Fuck The Police.

They exist to enrich themselves, have a powertrip as a day job, gain a higher effective class of citizenship, and to protect the property rights of the oligarchs.

Anything else they ever do is basically an accident, an incidental, occasional side effect stemming from the particular manner in which they carry out their actual purposes for existing.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

I do love how these kinds of memorandums do absolutely nothing to address how everyone else feels. The complete and total "our side of the story and counterpoints are just invalid" rhetoric speaks entire libraries about values, priorities, and why things aren't going so great. Meanwhile the FOP is using this tragedy to grandstand and speak about how they feel attacked by everyone not wearing a badge, even though they weren't invited to this party. I want to say it's in poor taste, but that doesn't quite capture just how ugly a thing this is to do.

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