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Let's hope the same thing will happen if/when the US tries to take Greenland; but honestly, I'm not optimistic. At least here in Germany, politicians and businesses are so used to licking the US' boot that I have a hard time imagining a seismic shift. Not to mention that thanks to our dependence on US software, we're incredibly vulnerable.
Still. One can hope.
What experrs? American experts?
They're kind of forgetting the big elephant in the room that is the fact a lot of US foreign debt is owned by Japan and China, with the majority of the rest of it being held by countries that will be very very pissed off with this move.
If trump is stupid enough to pull the trigger, and those countries decide that a potential physical war is becoming inevitable, they'll for sure dump all of that debt, all at once; killing the US economy and it's ability to make war. War needs fuel. Despite Venzuela, Trump won't have enough of it once his economy tanks.
Here's a recent article on the chances the USD continues as the world's reserve currency.
Ps it's not looking great.
https://www.ftadviser.com/content/5cbf339b-7c4d-464b-8c2a-0c7409e515a0
Europe should prepare to tell Trump to go fuck himself.
Yeah I think the ordering on that is China, Japan, UK, Canada in terms of the countries that hold US bonds.
A diplomatic delegation came to Canada recently and then Mark Carney went to China. Maybe just coincidence, or maybe not.
Tanking the bonds is essentially the economic equivalent of a nuke. You don't want to use it because there will be fallout which isn't good for anyone. But the US actually using military force on Greenland would be a circumstance where you might push the button on that. China has some business interests in Greenland, and generally the US just invading places based solely on the whims of a deranged old man is worse for everyone than the economic fallout from tanking the bonds.
Why can't NATO still exist without the US? The alliance could still stick together even if the US shits the bed. God damn why am I typing this? WW3 is about to start and I have no idea what the fuck is going on in my country anymore.
Challenging, but not impossible. I think the military budget of all other NATO members combined would just be about the same as the US. However, it's not like every country has its own independent "mix of everything"; they are supposed to work supplemental. What makes things worse is proprietary hardware and software in modern equipment such as planes. I'm not sure to which degree it would even be technically possible to use it to defend against the USA.
Then there is the nuclear weapon problem. France and UK would have to really stand their ground and follow through with nuclear retaliation. That means that even when the USA or Russia just use a small tactical nuke in Poland, Greenland or wherever, they'd have to use one of their few strategic nukes to destroy something big, possibly dooming Paris. The downside of the idea of mutually assured destruction always was that it only works with somewhat reasonable people who REALLY are not willing to take their entire civilisation with them. But since Stalin, there have never been nutjobs like Trump or Putin in charge, neither in the USSR, nor US, nor Russia.
A victorious Ukraine would certainly be an incredible asset to have in NATO, with all those battle-hardened, highly educated people.
But all things considered, might as well give it a try.
I just want to say it won't end Nato. Nato countries will stick together, but the USA will be out, alone, isolated, another rouge state just like Russia. That is until Americans grow a spine and either throw Trump out by election, by force, or by crashing the economy.
Considering this year started 10 days ago, I don't think we have enough time til the election in 3 years.
And then they may elect Mr Beast or some other rich dude.
And then they may elect Mr Beast
I can't wait for welfare to be replaced by "Survive 30 days in Guantanamo, win $500,000", and "100 people in Alligator Alcatraz. Last one standing wins $1,000,000".
We are seriously in a good position right now in EU believe it or not. Trump has been a wakeup call, and we are already mobilizing faster than - ever? - however, imagine being Canada, australia, Japan, etc. Countries far far away from Europe. If nato dies, Europe makes a new defense alliance, focussing on having troops on the, continent. Canada and australia needs to come closer to Europe. Trade wise, militiary wise, political, if they don't wanna get sucked up in the strongest superpower nearby, even if they have anything in common or not.
We're trying to come closer in all those ways. The "don't buy US made products" has spread everywhere and I hear it's starting to make an impact.
I'm worried about our southern neighbours... I see the news and it feels like they might have a civil war on their hands.
Yeah, its fucking disgusting what usa has become. But we now know how they "stand" it would be a killing blow for canada if usa got greenland. I say let canada control the north atlantic, militiary wise, in a cooperation with EU. (Since Greenland doesn't have a militiary. They will rely heavily on such an alliance)
End of NATO means:
And this is why billionaires have been building bunkers.
NATO won't end, only the US being part of NATO will end.
In fact if NATO didn't already exist, something just like it would be formed if the US starts invading countries just because a crazy old man thinks the world map is a colouring book.
The pandering to Trump has been an element of our strategy over the last year
I knew this would happen eventually, I just thought it would happen after my lifetime
Some countries in Europe are starting to, and given what Europe is, that's probably the best they can start doing.
At least because they made sure to show us their hand at their latest sonic weapons and information warfare used to shut down weapons that was used in the Venezuela attack. They would probably go the same route with Europe, trying to behead whatever strategic target is going to get them what they want, because they can't go for a prolonged conflict either.
Meaning while, USA citizens are waiting for mid term elections! Trump most likely will leave or court will do something. Sit and watch, do nothing.
The feudalists behind Trump made the mistake to give the population a chance to bring him down once... they won't repeat it. Also, if I remember correctly the SCOTUS granted the POTUS immunity for any action commited during his presidency. So whether Trump an others will be helf accountable his highly questionable to me... even if he loses the election in 3 years.
Trump will be free but every fucking one of his minions will not ... because they don't have the same immunity.
If there's a power shift after midterms and the Dems make inroads, be prepared to watch Trump scream bloody murder 'cause he can't always have his own way.
dems aren't going to do shit lol
Unfortunately I (non-american) hear close to nothing from the Dems since ~ 12 months. Given their inactivity and assumed unwillignes to figth against the rise of Trumps dictatorship I have little hopes that the midterms change anything... also given that Trump seems to ignore the parliaments whenevwr he likes.
Why would Trump leave that's antithesis to his entire personality. Sticking around long after it's clear that everyone hates him, claiming some sort of conspiracy, that's more his style.
Germany needs to boot the US out of all the military installations there.
If it really happens, shut down all the US military installations in Europe and European territories. The Red Coats should tell the US to leave Diego Garcia too.
They can't even shut down the base in Greenland. There's a reason DeGaulle kicked the US out in 1966. And why Okinawa residents have been lobbying to shut down the local base for decades.
Europeans have been under military occupation since the end of WW2, telling themselves the gun pointed at the back of their heads was aimed at the USSR, even after it dissolved.
Now they're going to have to deal with a foreign hostile occupation whose roots have grown deep
That would be the ultimate win for Putin: Destruction of the NATO.
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Canada has the world's longest undefended border with the US. There's no hope if the US invades. It would be like Russia invading Ukraine with no mountains in the way
The US has dominated the Western hemisphere for 70 years. Moving to snatch-and-grab military adventurism suggests that is no longer the case.
Maybe America has to be understood as the logical conclusion of Western European geopolitical and moral ideology, and maybe it has to hurt Europeans (I'm French living in the UK, DW, it'll hurt me too but such is life) for us to finally consider some sort of ideological revolution that produces something that's diametrically opposed to what's currently embraced. I mean, it's not like we wouldn't be doing whatever America has been doing for at least 70 years if we had their power level, lol, history shows that clearly, so for this all to end because it must ("THIS SICILIAN THING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 2000 YEARS!") our minds have to undergo a drastic collective change.
I'm one of those experts but I've been saying Europe should prepare for end of NATO ever since Trump won for the first time.
I think EU should cut off US completely and BRICS should form then EU and BRICS should do trade. Ban all US social media and boycott anything that's made in US