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[–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 13 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)
  • People every time a post about protests is made: "This will accomplish nothing."
  • Those same people when asked what they're personally doing since they talk like they know what will and won't work: "Also nothing."
  • (Bonus points for the ones who say violent uprisings are needed, but are not violently rising up themselves. Double bonus for "well I don't live in the US.")

Protests aren't the solution on their own, they're a step in the process of people getting to the point of doing something about the situation they've found themselves in. You can't fix a problem if you don't first acknowledge and accept that it's a problem. Stop crapping on people for protesting. Instead, encourage them to use that energy to take things further. And if you know so much about what will actually work and are going out of your way to tell people what they're doing isn't going to work, maybe you should be doing the thing you claim will work so you can lead by example instead of armchair directing.

[–] JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

A term I've been using is 'activation'. people who are in the early stages of activation attend protests - more often attendance is more activation. This eventually evolves into active participation in support networks, vigilante counteraction, or legal resistance like journalism and similar activities.

Protest attendance is the start of most individuals' activation, and we can't knock that starting place if we want greater numbers participating in the counteraction apparatus going forward.

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

Yeh the other step is actual violence. Not condoning or promoting it.

Just saying that has to be the next follow up if they're not listening to he protests.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 29 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Remember, if your organization is big enough to organize a general strike, the feds are there and watching. Watch your back

recall that the FBI infiltrated the civil rights movement and more even before we had a police state empowered by the Patriot Act surveillance and AI data collection.

I have zero proof, but I suspect that they are actively disrupting all attempts at organization. This is based on the history of CIA and FBI; we never know what they are doing currently, we only know a tiny bit of what they have done in the past.

Maybe I'm paranoid.

[–] mrlemmyhimself@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago

Paranoid has proven to be downright reasonable

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 19 points 10 hours ago

Your wallet is your strongest voice in the eyes of this administration. Think carefully about where you spend your hard earned money.

A single day of avoiding Walmart and Amazon is not meaningful if you give them your money tomorrow. Find local businesses that deserve your money and spend your money with them instead.

Buy less and buy better quality items that last longer. Reduce consumerism and give homemade gifts or experiences instead of more junk nobody needs. Use lending libraries, swap groups, and other methods to reduce your contribution to the economy, which is frankly the only thing the American government really is interested in.

And hats off to the person who successfully organizes a general strike. I’m cheering you on from Canada.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago
[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago

I'm not going to be first in line to start doing something that actually fucking matters, but you bet your ass I'll be third.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Why is it always a general strike? Why not a rent/mortgage strike?

[–] tod@slrpnk.net 4 points 6 hours ago

Why not both?

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Yeah that's the pot calling the kettle black. Infighting between groups who manage to effect 0 change.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

no kings has no leverage and no power and no stamina and no guts. are the police attacking them in the streets? i personaly see these kind of protests as controlled off gassing. you have a large amount of people who would under other circumstances be pushed into actual action, thinking they make a difference doing this, allowing the system to functionally ignore them.

without the media on your side these protests do not work. and the media is captured, and neither side wants to see this stop

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Are you recruiting there for an org that wants to do something that matters?

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/40568556

Or are you gonna let the Liberals get all the photo ops?

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

getting arrested is a good sign. the news talking about it on wensday would be more of a good indication

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

'actual action' beyond protest tends to get nasty quickly. I'm glad the left wing isn't lowering themselves to the level of, say, the capitol attacks.

The just way will take longer but it's the only way to effect real change.

A strike would be a good middle ground though.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

you say it will “takes longer” as things have been getting worse not better is a weird stance. these protests have been unsuccessful in their goals, not having a goal was the first failure. and there is a lot that can be done before the need to storm the capitol. but you are already poised to reject anything beyond protest. so you are in reality happy with the status quo

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

And are you actively organizing to change that? Or are you just providing an example of OP?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

we've seen no kings 1 & 2 change diddly squat, so obviously we'll do the same thing a third time with the high hopes that nothing will change too!

Guy that is attending the useless no kings protest

You want actual change? Look at Europe on how to protest. I'm sorry for you Americans, but you got yourself in this, you gotta dig yourself out. Trump will NOT care about the o kings protest, and it'll fade from the news within two days tops. It. Is. Not. Enough.

Protest 24/7 for months on end until the fucker is gone

Have strikes everywhere, indeed, because that it the only way you'll get his attention and get this administration to understand that it's over

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It’s very easy to say but you need to understand there are no labor protections in the US. Any protest during work hours result in termination.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Then get fired, all of you.

A company can't fire all their employees, just go all protest

[–] CascadianGiraffe@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

They only have to fire a few and the rest will fall in line quickly. This is why retail workers don't have unions.

Everyone is stuck in the consumer/labor loop. One missed check is all it takes to send you to the poverty hole. Even more challenging if you have kids.

I support general strike. But I understand why people aren't ready to do it yet. Until starving is less scary than the alternative, it's going to be hard for them to risk that.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes, let's look at Europe.

The USA is comparable to all of the EU in size, much larger than France, UK, Germany, etc. combined.

Has all of the EU ever been able to organize? France is smaller than California, one US state out of 50.

I'm sorry for you Europeans, but why do you keep supporting and enabling the USA? You continue to finance the very war machine that oppresses you (and us). Stop buying US products and stop using the US Dollar for international trade.

Go on strike yourselves and boycott, you are the experts eh? But you won't bother, you will continue to provide our government with billions while saying "pity that"... and then complain when the USAs boot is on your neck.

Re people from the USA... MLK and peace only did so much. We need less peaceful MLK protest and more Black Panthers-style protesting. Peaceful protests are worthless alone

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Has all of the EU ever been able to organize? France is smaller than California, one US state out of 50.

No, but you can't compare the EU to the US that way. We're not EU citizens in our minds. We're French, Germans, Polish etc. There's very few cases where we have such a need to protest together. We don't view ourselves as the EU people (most of us at least). And yes there were protests here today too.

And yeah the French basically invented protesting. Hardly a day goes by that some union isn't on strike there :) They invented the yellow vests too.

Go on strike yourselves and boycott, you are the experts eh?

If you're talking about the French then yes I would consider them the experts for sure 🤭

Stop buying US products and stop using the US Dollar for international trade.

This is in fact exactly what is happening here. It's a slow start but big ships need time to turn. Once they're turned however the momentum is great. There's lots of websites with recommendations for EU alternatives, and lots of people and businesses are making plans. It's a growing movement.

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Just because the poster doesn't take action, doesn't mean they are wrong.

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[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 33 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

The first comment / response or whatever that I read in there does a better job of expressing my opinion on this than I ever could.

"It's building the muscle. You have to get someone to show up one day before you can get them to show up often, or every day, or for the long haul."

Really the same goes for so many of the organizations running the events. They're local orgs, local people with different levels of experience (mostly very little) with organizing at this scale. It takes practice and time to get good at these things. It takes time to find volunteers and train them.

Contrary to what some of the comments implied, most of these events aren't planned/operated by paid professionals, not that paying for professional help is inherently a bad thing anyway. There's top-level guidance and coordination, that kind of stuff generally requires dedicated teams (aka paid employees) due to the time and skill requirements for those roles. But on the local level, it's volunteers all around. And the real planning, the hard work, is virtually all done locally by those volunteers.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

i don’t agree at all. the reason is that the people who go to these will argue that they are making a difference and fight against what comes next.

these are not even having the police interfere so you know no one cares at all. school children have a walk out criticizing israel? police show up with chemical weapons and shoots people point blank with less the lethal rounds. go to a no kings and police is directing traffic.

no these protests are a distraction to make people think that nothing more has to be done, and they did their part.

and then on tv the largest mass protest in history is a foot note to trumps birthday party. so no.

[–] GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

They ain't wrong though. And you arguing with them is no better than them arguing with you about this.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 13 points 13 hours ago (16 children)

Sure, we'll all voluntarily surrender our paychecks, and starve. I'm sure MAGA will show empathy, and totally change their attitude, and won't just point and laugh at us as we starve, and scabs do our jobs for us.

I'd rather shut down the MAGA government for an extended period, deny them THEIR money, and hurt THEM. So the airports are out of control, who care? Almost everybody inconvenienced in an airport is upper middle class at the least. Most of them have money, and disproportionately vote MAGA.

So I'm sorry about the workers who get screwed, but I'm extremely happy to see people with money whining about missing their time on the slopes, or that big merger meeting that will unemploy thousands, or that AI training that will unemploy thousands, etc. Fuck them, make them wait for hours, as they ponder how voting MAGA has improved their lives.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 17 points 12 hours ago (12 children)

If striking for 1 day means starving, then you got one more good reason for a general strike.

Best regards from Europe

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[–] rayyy@piefed.social 35 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The No Kings Marches are just a prelude. Imagine all those millions of people participation in the upcoming general strike . Then imagine those millions turning to violence. Imagine them armed.

[–] homes@piefed.world 16 points 15 hours ago (5 children)

Just a suggestion, but becoming armed before becoming violent might be a better order of progression.

[–] sepi@piefed.social 8 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

LOL what country do you think this is? "Becoming armed"? Bro this is America.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

except the ones who have traditionally fought against the right to bear arms is the same people protesting. they need to be armed, and they need to protest with their arms, same reason a government will parade with their weapons

[–] sepi@piefed.social 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

yes, and my point still stands

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[–] Naich@piefed.world 97 points 21 hours ago (9 children)

Note that the person criticising the original is also not active in organising a general strike. It is permissable to hold opinions without being obliged to act on them.

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