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[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 204 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Trump’s lawyers also showed a slide claiming the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas is 64 stories. But an architectural drawing shows it likely has fewer levels because the floor numbers jump from eight to 16.

We can do that? Okay. My house is actually five stories. I've labeled the ground floor 1 and the upper story 5.

For tax purposes, though, the ground floor is -1 and the upper floor is 0 so it's a zero story house.

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 55 points 2 years ago (6 children)

If you look closely, floor 13 is actually skipped in a LOT of buildings. It's unlucky

[–] Lon3star@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe that's why Trump removed so many, still hasn't found the one that causes all of his problems

[–] Soap10116@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The cause is number 1. Himself

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[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

I work on the 13 floor, can confirm I have a lot of bad luck. I had bad luck before I got moved there but I still do

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 15 points 2 years ago

“My hotel doesn't have a 13th Floor because of superstition, but c'mon man... People on the 14th floor, you know what floor you're really on" "What room are you in?" "1401". "No, you're not. Jump out of window, you'll die earlier!"”

— Mitch Hedberg

[–] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

So then...what about 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, and 15?

You are right though, I think nearly every tall building I've been in doesn't list a floor 13.

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[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When I bought my house it was listed at 5 bedrooms. There are 3 bedrooms upstairs. I think the Master Bedroom (first floor) is actually supposed to be the living room, and the living room was a dining room.

The fifth bedroom is a room in the back of the house just off the driveway. It's uninsulated, the window is single pane, and none of the outlets are grounded. It's unheated. They had a scrap of carpet out there, but it was just covering the cement floor. I installed an insulated exterior door and threw away the solid wood one. I keep the lawn mower and snowblower out there.

[–] poppy@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Similarly, my house was listed as two and a half bath. The second “full” bath is a random shower, toilet, and sink in the basement just… there. Open to the rest of the basement. No enclosing walls. lol

[–] snowsuit2654@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 years ago

Couldn't we just count the stories from the outside?

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 111 points 2 years ago (4 children)

To be fair, it must be pretty hard being Trump's lawyer. I imagine there's a lot of, "Is there anything else you should be telling us?" and "Are you certain of that or would you like to try remember more or double-check first?" conversations. Then you get in court and shit still goes terribly because your client's like a kid with chocolate on their mouth and told you he didn't eat the cupcakes.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

When he was in the White House, two of his lawyers would never see him alone to avoid him lying to them and telling them different things.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

To be fair, it must be pretty hard being Trump’s lawyer.

Actually, it's probably pretty easy.

You don't actually have to know what the hell you're talking about. All you need to do is be able to stand in front of a microphone, and parrot out all the usual Trump talking points on command.

You don't need to make coherent arguments in court. In fact, Trump doesn't want you to. You're acting for an audience of one, and it's not the judge. Your entire role, again, is to just regurgitate whatever Trump tells you to regurgitate.

You don't even need to win. Trump's overall success rate in court is abyssmal. But it doesn't matter because all Trump cares about is that you spent weeks or months repeating Trump's talking points on command.

Sure, little things like getting paid, keeping your reputation intact, avoiding criminal charges and disbarment, and being able to find work later might be a wee bit problematic, but the work itself is probably pretty easy. See what Trump says on TV? Just say that over and over and over and over.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He's going to care if he wins in the criminal trials, especially the one in Georgia he couldn't definitely pardon if he was president. He probably couldn't pardon the others because it's legally questionable whether a president can pardon himself, but he'll sure try.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I could be completely off base because what I'm about to say comes from memory of an article I read years and years ago, long before Trump in politics was ever a thing.

But the hypotheticals of what would happen if an elected President was in jail has been discussed before. The general idea that I remember reading was that yes, he wouldn't be able to pardon himself at either the state or federal level, but his incarceration would be superseded by his need to carry out his Presidential duties, effectively putting any criminal punishment due to him on hold. Sure, he'd still be a convicted felon, but he'd still basically avoid anything resembling actual consequences for his actions, and Trump would be perfectly OK with that. He'd be able to avoid consequences and would wear the conviction as a badge of honor.

And make no mistake: That's what Trump is going for. He didn't care about his impeachments. He hasn't cared about any of the civil trials he lost yet. He only started caring about this one once he realized he could turn the courtroom into a glorified MAGA rally. Being labelled with "convicted felon" would just be something else to add to the pile of things Trump doesn't care about. He'll fundraise off of it. He'll have laws changes to make sure he never has to actually serve a sentence even after his term ends. And in the end, as long as he doesn't actually have to suffer actual consequences outside of some reputational damage, he'll consider it a win.

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[–] Syndic@feddit.de 8 points 2 years ago

Sure thing, but his behaviour around lawyers has been known for decades and yet they still took this utterly impossible to represent client. Fuck them.

[–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

a kid with chocolate on their mouth and told you he didn't eat the cupcakes.

"Donny, Donny!" "Yes Papa?"

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[–] Sovereign_13@lemmy.world 101 points 2 years ago (7 children)

If this ever gets made into like a docuseries or movie, future generations aren’t going to believe that the legal team of a former President in a civil case was this incompetent.

Like there’s no way to make said movie and not have it be a comedy of errors.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's the Trump candidacy, presidency, and aftermath were a TV series, we'd be yelling at the writers to make it more realistic.

[–] BeefPiano@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

Someone explained to me that fiction needs to be believable, but reality has no such constraints

[–] protist@mander.xyz 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There will almost certainly be a season of American Crime Story about this one day, but unfortunately not until after it's over. It will be over one day, right?

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[–] koolkiwi@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Now hear me out: Arrested Development, Trump version. Think about it. A family of horrible, dumb people dragging each other down. The family father getting caught doing illegal stuff and running the dumbest defense ever. The idiot lawyer holding a press conference on a shitty parking lot next to a porn shop because noone bothered to check if it was the right Four Seasons (still the funniest thing to happen in the last 2,000 years). I can totally see Eric Trump saying "Illusion, Ivanka. Magic is something a whore does for money."

The only thing missing is someone decent enough to play Michael (which is saying something, because even Michael was a horrible person).

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

Henry Winkler shows up. "I've got some experience defending 'light treason'! "

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I was actually thinking Jeffrey Tambor would be a great pick for Pence.

[–] Spendrill@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Tambor could do a great Rudy Giuliani.

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[–] squiblet@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s fairly easy to understand, though - his cases are hopeless because he’s plainly guilty. He expects his lawyers to lie for him, endangering themselves, make frivolous arguments, and try anything to delay cases. It raises their profile, but makes them look bad to normal people, and then on top of it, he will simply ignore bills to avoid paying anything. Therefore he’s only left with desperate, incompetent or dumb lawyers. Because nobody reputable would want a client like that.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

IIRC, his lawyers have been getting paid up front since Kise was hired.

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Therefore he’s only left with ~~desperate, incompetent or~~ dumb lawyers

No, they're dumb. You're not entitled to legal counsel for civil trials, only criminal ones. That means any lawyer who represents him in the New York case is choosing to do so.

[–] squiblet@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago

Of course they’re doing it voluntarily. What I mean is the group of people willing to work for him is small at this point. And obviously Trump isn’t capable of representing himself.

[–] dezmd@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

Title it "Fucking Morons" and make it as serious a documentary as possible.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

"I'm a very stable genius!"

Narrator: "He wasn't."

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[–] Kid_Thunder@kbin.social 57 points 2 years ago

Trump's lawyers: Banks should have done their own due diligence for his properties themselves. We even put a disclaimer to not trust us!

Also Trump's lawyers: Failed doing due diligence on Trump's properties in court.

I wonder if their slides had a disclaimer to not trust their evidence.

[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

Lord have consequences for their souls.

[–] ringwraithfish@kbin.social 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Trump Organization’s chief legal officer, Alan Garten, explained to Forbes a month ago that 40 Wall Street has 63 floors of commercial space, but “when you add the space from 63 to the cupola, the building totals 72 floors.”

I'd be interested in seeing what that space actually is. Are they going to start arguing over the definition of a floor? Is this going to turn into Bill Clinton's famous "define is" situation?

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, Clinton's situation was actually pretty smart lawyering on his part. So I'm guessing if Trump's team is successful it would be more like a Johnny Cochran prepping OJ situation.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago

Right, Bill and Hillary are both lawyers in their own right. That particular incident may have sounded bad to the public, but Bill knew he was in court. Something of the opposite of Trump, who keeps playing to his public base even when he's in court.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As far as I can tell, idiot lawyers is all he hires.

[–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

Idiot lawyers are all who are still willing to work for somebody who may not pay them.

[–] MentallyExhausted@reddthat.com 11 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I’ll bet their plan is to be so incompetent he can get a mistrial.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 10 points 2 years ago

Being terrible at their job isn't grounds for mistrial. People are entitled to a defense, not a good defense.

But they probably don't know that, since they're terrible lawyers.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

LOL if that were true half the prison population would be on the street right now.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Too late for that. The Trump organization has already been found liable. This is the damages phase. They're doing everything they can to say "okay, it was fraud, but not that much fraud" at this point and the Trump family are all trying to claim they had no idea what happened in their own company.

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to do that repeatedly until they scored a bribable judge.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

What is a cupola in the context of a modern city tower and how does it add 8 stories? Is this usable space or is this literally just a nine story spike on the tower?

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The lady on the team looks like she ate WAY to much of a mushroom chocolate bar lmao. She looks like she tripping somewhere next to Jupiter 🤣

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's Alina Habba, a lawyer who doesn't understand how to do her job. Isn't it odd that Trump doesn't fire her for being incompetent? And isn't it odd that she has a similar look to his current wife? 🤔

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