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When you post on reddit, instagram etc. you're giving the company your valuable data. (And it often is valuable, you put your thoughts into it and all that). Consider if you take 15 minutes to create value content, you'd get paid $5 or sth if you were doing it commercially. Now all that value is donated to big tech companies. (that's the only reason why they have value at all.)

So what's the problem with that? The problem is that reddit and others can instantaneously put your years-long effort behind a paywall. I'm not joking. Look at these:

when i want to see content on reddit (for research) or instagram (for local community) they don't allow me to see the data that users have contributed. Reddit claims that it blocks VPNs for "security reasons", meanwhile i'm using VPNs in browser's incognito mode to not be tracked. Instagram wants you to sign in sothat they amass more users and can take leverage of the network effect even more.

I can understand restricting who can post to limit bot activity, but reading must always be possible. After all, it's our data. That's exactly what happens when you give your data to big companies to "communicate with other people": your data becomes a source of income for them, at our expense.

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[–] eicker@lemmy.world 84 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The irony is that this argument will probably get more attention on Reddit than on any open forum: Centralised platforms are great for discovery and awful for preservation. Use them as the billboard, not the library. Keep the valuable stuff where you control the rules, the backups and the future.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

agreed there, the rule should be, if your goal is to make sure your information is out there... don't limit it to one place. Post it to Lemmy, Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, keep it on your PC, and a flash drive, and have off site backups.

[–] eicker@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Exactly. Platform loyalty is a bad archiving strategy. If one platform disappears, changes the rules, or buries old content, your work and links still survive instead of vanishing with someone else’s business decisions.

[–] Mikina@programming.dev 59 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I've been slowly replacing, by hand so it doesn't trigger their detection alerts, all of my 15 years of comments on Reddit, a lot of it valuable answers to tech questions or programming problems, with a randomly prompted unrelated paragraph of ChatGPT whatever.

When one of the first exodi(?) came, a lot people replaced their comments with random words through scripts, back then it was not as detected and prevented (which Reddit promptly scrambled to prevent), and thanks to people doing that I've eventually blocked Reddit from my Kagi altogether, simply because 90% of what I found was either questions with scrambled answers, comments that are just ads from bots, or just unrelated bullshit. So, it does have an actual impact.

Have fun selling that to AI companies.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 42 points 1 month ago (4 children)

LIke you I deleted all my comments and verified they were deleted. When I looked a couple of months later, Reddit had actually restored each and every one.

I'm slowly deleting them again. Maybe this time they'll stay gone.

[–] Womble@piefed.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Deleting (or editing) comments does not change what the hosting website has, it just updates what they display. so there will be lines in a database saying:

  • the original comment was "blah"
  • on the 6th of August 2024 it was changed to "blah2"
  • and the 20 of January the comment was deleted

There isnt a way for you to remove that unless there is some legal mechanism for you to force them to remove all data about you.

[–] vorpuni@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 17 points 1 month ago

Even with GDPR requests there's zero guarantee they actually comply with deletion requests. They may decide to show something that may lead to think they have complied. That's it…

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 43 points 1 month ago (25 children)

The problem is that reddit and others can instantaneously put your years-long effort behind a paywall. I'm not joking. Look at these:

Those aren't paywalls.

meanwhile i'm using VPNs in browser's incognito mode to not be tracked

That's not what a VPN or incognito modes do.

Reddit sucks for a number of reasons, but your internet literacy also kinda sucks.

[–] FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
The problem is that reddit and others can instantaneously put your years-long effort behind a paywall. I’m not joking. Look at these:

Those aren’t paywalls.

They are. You pay with you being tracked, profiled, your data etc for advertisement and other uses. That's what these "free" services use to monetise the user.

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Yea but thats not what a paywall actually is.

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[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 41 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I hate that "you were blocked by network security" page so much. Fucking smug fedora wearing neck beard with his arms crossed. What the fuck fo you think is going to be the difference of someone using a VPN vs being logged in with a VPN on network security? You're just lying to me reddit.

[–] FG_3479@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's likely so they can block scraping and DDoSing from people behind a VPN by just banning their account.

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[–] hoagecko@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What I'm particularly concerned about lately is the growing share of online forums that don't even publish their content on the web.

The most famous example of this type of forum is probably Discord.

As those of you on Lemmy know, many people chose Discord as an alternative after Reddit's deterioration.

Hasn't this problem already escalated to the point where access to content isn't guaranteed not only to some bots but even to individuals without accounts?

Shouldn't those who love the web be extremely wary of online communities that don't even try to be based on the web?

That's what I think.

If search engines truly only show the "existence" of forums, then the open web is truly over.

[–] Goodman@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't think that we should be wary of them. It is only natural that when the whole web is overrun by bots, these gated communities will pop up. It's an easy way to keep a lot of bad traffic out, while a space for users to interact and be authentic.

And yes, I think the open web is truly over.

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[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't contribute anything worthwhile anywhere.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I see you, too, are a man of culture

[–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

It's pointless anymore to try infoposting on reddit.

Take for example the soldering subreddit. The info on that sub is that you must slather everything in flux in order to solder properly. A guy posted yesterday citing 40 years of experience, saying that's not how he's done it. The comments are a mess.

Another post today, someone asks about air filtering the solder smoke. The consensus in the comments is it's not a big deal. You can literally measure the particulate matter yourself to see how bad it is. Basically an average residential room size, say 100-200 sq/ft. You'll basically hotbox yourself with smoke.

Another one that's seen less often but the false idea persists. It's that capacitors never short and burn out. I don't know how or why that false idea floats around, but I've seen it over the years. I've replaced tons of caps that spontaneously combusted. Both electrolytic and SMD caps. Sometimes they just fail and short. No other fault.

Reddit is full of bad info. It's site that relies on word of mouth and popularity contest. You do not build a knoweldge base of technical information this way. You're getting an entropic game of telephone. That's all reddit ever was and ever will be. It's flawed paradigm by default.

A paradigm that lemmy is built off. So don't you all be getting the idea that good knowledge is going to be getting sourced from here either.

[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's that capacitors never short and burn out.

As a long time maintenance technician, this made me unreasonably angry. This is something I would punch somebody for asserting.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It’s kind of insane that integrated wikis with citations/documentation aren’t the centerpiece of (Reddit) communities.

Instead, we got… Discord?

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[–] elephantium@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile I'm playing Oxygen Not Included, and like half the time I look something up about the game, half the results are on reddit. There's a lot of accumulated stuff on there that's still helpful.

Of course, any false or outdated info will quickly be obvious when you start up the game again. Lower stakes than soldering safety.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

My biggest beef with this new shaky-information world is that they hardly ever accurately date-stamp and time-stamp things anymore. This took me less than a minute to type and I find it mostly worthless so I'll be donating this one for free.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Half of what I post anywhere is horseshit, but you won't know which half or even whether this reply is included in it. Good luck.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

After a decade of reddit and over a half million karma I quit for multiple reasons. Primarily the cash grab for the API and forcing the reddit app, but also the explicit acknowledgement that the mods and community were absolutely being exploited for unpaid labor and anyone who didn’t bend a knee could get fucked.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 1 month ago

If I could make money off my posts and comments, I could probably support myself.

[–] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not wrong, but I feel like you're preaching to the Choir here.

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[–] NewNewAugustEast@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I still host 3 websites that I publish anything technical or helpful on. It really doesn't cost much to do and is helpful for me to be able to go back to as reference myself.

I never do ads or even seo.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

But I get upvotes. They are more valuable than my time or money.

[–] Widdershins@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Pay me and I will remove my downvote.

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[–] Fontasia@feddit.nl 9 points 1 month ago

It's a good thing that this could never happen to Lemmy and some vindictive mod would just take their instance offline, right.. Right?

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

I abandoned my 250k+ karma account two years ago when I saw where Reddit was headed.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Interesting, if I'm not misreading that index you have 2007 to 2015, then jan 2024 onwards monthly (at 30-50gb a file) but not the 9 years in the middle

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[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 7 points 1 month ago

This realization and the API thing is why I swore of reddit 3 years ago (to the month).

[–] artyom@piefed.social 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Unfortunately most of the internet is login-gated at this point. And honestly a lot of it is justifiable, lest you let the bots run wild scraping your site until it goes down completely.

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[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Jokes on them, I'm only there for the porn.

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

People exist here who didn't get [edit: perma-] banned for stupid and belligerent reasons? Like this one?

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[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

Remember they can't afford mods or to pay anyone. They can rip off your content for themselves though!

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