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[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 165 points 2 years ago (3 children)

many people in red states think that talent and wealth are moving to red states to escape liberal politics. they are in a different dimension

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So true! I have debated ad nauseum with conservatives on this very topic. Their media machine is feeding this absurdity to them and they believe it. They see it as hard evidence that conservative policies are superior to any other policies.

[–] SheDiceToday@eslemmy.es 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's gotten to the point I don't even talk to people who bring up the topic. You can quote any number of statistics, but they've "dun seen that californian moving in up the road, so there's the proof right there!" I guess the fact that on a ~21 house road, we've got Carolingians, Alabamians, Tex(i)ans, Michiganders, and some Arkansaws folks means that people are fleeing blue states, sure, ayup.

*The post's language is intentional >.>

[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Texas might be the sole case where that’s actually happening. Most of the wealth is being concentrated in and around Austin, though.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, but they aren't moving for conservative policies or "red state". They're moving to more affordable liberal/socialist friendly enclaves. Like Austin as you pointed out. Conservatives /fascists like to imply otherwise. But they are already panicking as those areas grow in power and influence. Doing everything they can to try to neuter it. Before it changes their state politics to take their power away from them.

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[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 112 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This would be bad news for red states except the people left still get 2 senators, a disproportionate number of electoral votes, and the ability to use the internet.

[–] recapitated@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

And thus setting in motion the literal plot setup for Idiocracy.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 103 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Well, yeah, conservative policies are horrible. I don't see why smart people would want to live under them.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 93 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The problem is just because you're smart enough to realize this doesn't mean you have the money to move

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)
[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I imagine a lot of the stupid people who voted for right wing policies, and are then hurt by them, won't connect those dots

Part of being stupid is the inability to look at facts and draw a reasonable conclusion.

Someone might look at "we cut funding for the town, and now the library sucks" and realize there's a connection. An idiot might instead say "it's the black people's fault"

I really want to drive that home. Some people are stupid. They look at the world and draw bad conclusions. I don't know how to fix that.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You say that as if they aren't taking the rest of us down with them.

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[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It already is. For instance, the majority of rural texas's access to natal care, cardiology, and a few other of the major medical practices is in the same rank as places in central america. It's not just texas either.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's been hurting them a long long time. But they've got that crab mentality. They believe things can't be better. But as long as they can make someone hurt worse than they believe they are. They're happy.

[–] SoylentBlake@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Facts. Never doubt these peoples ability to withstand suffering, as long as it makes it worse for the 'other'.

It's sublime and sad and sadistic at the same time. They'll cut off their own nose to spite your face.

I've been unable to find where in the bible this attitude stems from other than a misattributed 'trials and tribulations' vibe.

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[–] korewa@reddthat.com 15 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I need somebody to help me find a blue state where I can afford a 4 bedroom 2400 sf home.

I’m at twice the median income in my city and my house cost 280k built in 2020. Not to mention interest these days really kill the possibility of moving when I got a 2.75% interest rate and no PMI.

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[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 71 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I've lived in Florida my whole life and I'm not leaving without a fight. I'll be damned if I let my home fall to fascism. I got involved in my union. Now I'm vice president and I'm getting involved in the UAW CAP and I'll be lobbying the government for labor rights. My mission is to punch Desantis in the dong. Momma ain't raise no quitter.

[–] Ziro427@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Florida man punches DeSantis in the dong" is a headline that would be funny.

[–] SecretSauces@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

This is one of the least insane things Florida Man would do

[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I just want to say that we need more people like you. I get that being this active is not for everyone, but damn, we need it right now. And I'm including myself in that statement.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 68 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I know the red/blue model is useful in some cases but I live in a red state (Louisiana) in one of the most blue cities in America (New Orleans). Biden won like 40% of the statewide vote and we have a two-term Democratic governor (about to leave office but still). And that’s with a state Democratic Party that is a constant mess, never has resources, gets zero national investment or attention, and sometimes doesn’t even field candidates.

National politics isn’t everything. Sure, Biden shouldn’t spend much time or money here but Democrats have no excuse not to have an aggressive 50 state operation. Just having a credible candidate means a scandal can flip a Congressional seat but attorney generals and secretaries of state matter too. There’s even value in losing an election even if your candidate is just on the local news calling out his opponent.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My state (GA) elected two Democratic Senators and folks still label it "red."

[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Plenty of talk about Georgia being purple though too.

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[–] Wodge@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can blame Marge for that.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 12 points 2 years ago

Or the extremely narrow margin and Republican control of state government.

[–] osarusan@kbin.social 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I wonder if the whole red state/blue state discourse would disappear if we just got rid of the fucking Electoral College...

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

Gerrymandering is a much bigger problem

[–] Skwerls@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 2 years ago

Throw in ranked choice voting while we're at it

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[–] Motavader@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I feel like this is part of a Republican long game - make their states so unpalatable to progressives that they move out, thus ensuring that the US Senate and House are never again under Democratic control. It's like a for of self-imposed gerrymandering for Democrats, packing themselves into the few states with liberal legislaturea and policies.

Of course, those blue states will continue to subsidize the red states through tax dollars and federal programs, but that's another issue entirely.

[–] vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That’s not the end game. Conservatives will never be satisfied with progressives existing in their country, even if in a different state.

No, the goal secession. Or worse.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah I'm not convinced at all that they're ok with us existing in other states. They want us completely and utterly nullified as having any political say in this country. They want us off school boards, out of Congress, out of the White House, off the city council, not moving to their towns, not vacationing in their regions, not watching their sports teams. They want us silent, imprisoned, deported, or dead.

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[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sorry, add here and super lazy. I started reading the piece and within a few paragraphs I realized I was just reading a story about some couple I don't really give two shits about. Then I quickly scrolled up and down in the article and saw how long it was.

So can anyone tell me when it gets to the actual evidence that there is a brain drain? Make no mistake about it, my wife and I (my wife highly trained and me a software engineer) left a red state with our family partially, even only slightly so, because of state policies. So its not surprise it happens.

[–] TangledHyphae@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm a software engineer too. I was born in the deep south where even my grandmother disowned me because I told her people were going to die on January 6th because of trump, she said I was a liar and hung up and never answered my calls again. I moved to a purple state to balance out the MAGA extremists. The whole southeast is full of some of the least educated people in America, and the vast majority are red.

[–] bonobi@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (5 children)

It started badly with that couple being the focus in a story-like section. Too long only to shift to discuss different reasons and examples of people leaving other states for various reasons. About 2/3 of the way through they finally get into demographics of college educated people, their economic benefits and new data on rates of leaving red states for blue states.

Eventually it was very good at describing the overall situation happening. But man, they didn't need to write so much about their personal lives. Especially at the beginning.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's intentional. Easier to commit atrocities when there's nobody intelligent around.

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[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)

The second I get a stable job, it's off to Colorado. While it's still blue.

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (6 children)

It's been going on for a while now ...

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

This was in fact the goal. Convincing morons to vote against their own best interest is way easier than trying to convince people who are actually capable of reasoning. Gotta pump those GOP voter rolls somehow after all, and gerrymandering and voter suppression only gets you so far.

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[–] Nougat@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (13 children)

This attitude pisses me off for a number of reasons.

Not everyone can afford to move out of these states as they become steadily shittier. Smart people leaving further entrenches the conservative majority in those states, which makes it harder to flip states. It makes it easier for Republicans to control the Senate, and harder for Democrats to accomplish anything (not that they ever fucking want to). And when Republicans put policies in place that fuck over the people who can't leave, Democrats on the national level consider it to be a Red State Problem that they don't have to worry about doing anything about, because all the people who can't leave evidently deserve it for being outnumbered and not having enough money to move.

Thing is, Democrats' lack of solidarity is gonna come back to bite them in the ass. When their negligence has caused a permanent Republican majority in the Senate, those Red State Problems they didn't give a shit about are gonna be implemented at the national level. They're not gonna stay Red State Problems.

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Not that it makes it any better, but a lot of those people who can't afford to move also can't afford to vote (time off work, travel to a polling station, time to actually look into what's going on)

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[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Isn't that why they're red?

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