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French Belgians 90 + 7
Same for Swiss French except for Geneva (of course).
Not to defend the French but the more correct representation would be 4 * 20 + 10 + 7.
Also if you take this meme to the extreme it would be best to just say “97” which requires a unique word for every number instead of a system to construct them. So I guess there is a balance to be struck in number composition.
also "ninety" is literally just a shortening of "nine ten", it's not like the french pronounce the whole thing either, i'd wager it usually comes out more like "katvandisett" which isn't much worse than "ninetyseven"
Actually we do prononce it entirely, at most dropping the first syllable
Since we use decimal system then nine+ten makes complete sense
Lincoln: 4 * score + 17
Seven, not seventeen. Though IIRC, he used the 4 score and 7 years ago, as a way to indicate that he was giving a speech, not speaking the common parlance
That's the Gettysburg Address which is 87. But 97 as in the picture would be +17
Gotcha, now I see what you were saying
80 (quatre-vingt) comes from the base 20 system. That's a vestige from pre indo-European languages (specifically the Gauls) that ended up influencing France.
Interestingly (if I'm not mistaken), in Switzerland they actually say "huitante" and in Belgium they say "octante".
In Wallonia ( french belgium ) you're also likely to hear "nonante" for 90 IIRC
The Gauls were Celtic, which is Indo-European. Maybe you meant "Pre-Romance"?
I was mentioning Indo-European in the draft of the comment and then I changed it and I didn't modified it correctly. You are right.
Maya use mostly base 20 system. Mostly, because all digits go from 0 to 19, except for the second one, that goes from 0 to 17.
What do you mean by the second one? Like this? {0-19}{0-17}{0-19}...{0-19}
No, the second from the left
… 19 19 19 19 17 19
And the French get offended if you use the wrong word. I went to a shop there and asked if something was ninety (there is a word for that). The shopkeeper gives me a scathing look and says with emphasis it's four twenty ten.
'Nonante' is used in the French-speaking part of Belgium, but it's generally frowned upon in France.
frowned upon
as in "you just wiped your ass with my language, my country and the history of my ancestors" it seems
They kind of stare at you as if you just farted in the most obscene way possible.
Or they passive-aggressively make you repeat what you said until you say it 'right'.
Or they reply in a kind of exaggerated broken English.
Not the ever so polite French!
I spent a lot of time in the country when I worked for a French owned company.
It's a beautiful country, too bad about the epidemic of sticks in their asses. I am so glad it hasn't spread to their neighbors.
generally Belgium is frawn upon I gather.
Japanese: 9*10+7
Ninety also means 9*10 since -Ty has its roots in the old Gothic word tigjus which means tens/decades https://www.etymonline.com/word/-ty
That Japanese is also 9*10 is not really surprising since counting in most languages is in base-10
Same with the German ‘zig’ which is also mentioned in your linked page. It’s also used elsewhere e.g. “zigfach” meaning many times.
Growing up bilingual in German and English, can I just say german's "7 + 90" is pretty dumb too.
397 is 300 + 7 + 90: 100s 1s 10s. For bigger numbers you're doing it repeatedly.
In German for every set you're saying the digits and tens in the wrong order. You get used to it, but only if you grow up in Germany (I didn't), else it forever does you head in reading numbers.
Dutch also has that problem, it causes so many errors.
Old English used to have the same problem ( https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Old_English/Numbers ), but at one point they must have seen the light, probably some time after they were conquered by the french in 1066. I do remember reading a Charles Dickens story where a person said a number with tens and ones in the reverse order and I wonder when it finally died out completely in English (if it ever did, maybe it's still in use in some dialects).
Edit: thirteen, fourteen, ... There's still commonly used remnants of this reverse order in English, we'll never get rid of this insanity :)
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In old French, 127 was 6*20+7.
It's the fact of using base 20.
Tbf I think in English it's more like... 9*10+7
I'm not a historian or linguist so there is a good chance I'm wrong, but I just kind of always assumed that "ninety" meant "nine-tens" - that the "ty" was an earlier form of, or was corrupted from, "tens".
Russian be like:
- ten
- two ten
- three ten
- centipede
- five ten ...
- centipede
Sounds simular, but no. It was commonly traded abount of sobol(and other animals with fur) skins. Sooo...
- ten
- two ten
- three ten
- furry
- five ten
...
- eight ten
- ninetillhundred
- hundred
And 123456 would be hundred two ten three thousands four hundred five ten six.
Also worth noting that current 10 is десять, while everything more then 10 is using older дцать.
Swiss french use the 80s and 90s terms like in english