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[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Bully me for my videogame ineptitude:

I liked it, I thought it was cute and comfy, breddy gud =) I feel kinda weird that the gameplay and story exist almost on seperate planes though...

[–] Yor@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I see no ineptitude here, you beat it after all. I beat it a few days ago!

I wasn't going to 100% it, but yesterday I was like "I could probably get all the strawberries" and here I am doing it now

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

waow-based

Some of those lil fruits are for fuckers, I am really peeved that I missed every crystal heart thingy though

[–] Yor@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

they're like so easy to miss lol. the mechanics to get to the first one actually broke my brain a bit

how to get ityou have to use screen transitions to reset your dash and keep going up that way. I hadn't even considered the possibility of that

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

That's heavily cursed, I'm on and off with how I feel about games straining their mechanics like that, using speedrun strat shit basically. I had already noticed that screen transitions reset your dash when I was in the cave though!

Might give this a shot...

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

getting the moon berry is one of my proudest achievements in videogames lol

[–] SnowySkyes@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At least you finished the game. I can't get myself to the finish line with it even though I love the game. Though I haven't tried in a while.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yeah =) Too tough, or just not motivated?

alsoI AM FURIOUS & IN SHAMBLES THAT CHAPTER 8 REQUIRES SOME DUMBASS COLLECTIBLE FROM THE MAIN LEVELS FUCK COLLECTATHONS FUCK BBC MICRO DEVELOPERS FUCK FLIMBO'S QUESTkitty-cri-screm fuckin crystal hearts...

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

it's so worth it!!!! if you don't wanna grind it out blindly i recommend just looking up a guide and you can load level checkpoints and blaze through grabbing the hearts. you don't have to replay the levels in full, you can load a checkpoint, grab the heart, then exit to map. then after ch. 8 you can look into the B-sides... hehehe

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

Well maybe I'll give it a go then, I do enjoy the game a lot, I did grab like three or four of the b-sides, Celeste is good at making me care about its challenges. I grabbed a lot of fruits just out of stubbornness, lol

[–] SnowySkyes@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's actually because of

discussing dysphoriadysphoria. I haven't tried since early in my transition, but I can see that the creator is trans in this work. Perhaps I'm drawing false parallels, but it triggered my dysphoria the last time I played. It's been over a year and I'm fairly comfortable in my skin at this point, so maybe I should give it another go.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

more of samemadeline-shock Am I a dumbass or did I miss something? I could squint abd see it here or there, but having just hit credits I actually thought Celeste was gonna be More Trans than it was, Idk... The selfie bit at the bonfire is the only thing that sticks out in my mind atm.

Fwiw though I thought it was really pleasant, maybe you should =)

[–] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

https://www.mattmakesgames.com/articles/is_maddy_trans/index.html the answer is that it was a subconciously trans story

spoiler cw: gender stuff"When I wrote Celeste I sincerely still believed that I was cisgender, but I was nevertheless waist-deep in gender feelings (among other anxieties). When Madeline looks in the mirror and sees her other self; when she attempts to abandon her reflection, who then drags her down the mountain; when the two reconcile and merge to become stronger and more complete… that was all unknowingly written from a trans perspective."

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I know, it's not exactly subtle, quoting self downthread

And the clouds do get trans-flag-colours near the summit...

Also I think the word is "subtextual". But for how much I hear its praises sung I was expecting any amount of text I guess...

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

i personally think it's more effective that way. there is a trans flag at the end as a little canon-confirmation which is nice. so madeline is trans in the text. but i prefer the beautifully crafted subtext arc over having text boxes where madeline like talks about trans stuff or whatever (although i totally understand wanting more overtly trans media, i think celeste stands on its own as almost perfect the way it is). i think the amount of trans love for the game affirms that it is effective allegory.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

stupid hateful bullshitThe fact that anyone still speaks about "queer rep" in terms of 'canon' really shows how far behind rep is. Not sending their best sadness-abysmal

I'm not exactly asking to be told HEY, THE CURTAINS ARE NOT JUST BLUE point blank, I mean if you're a real dumbass like me the trans flag-coloured clouds spell it out plainly. It's undeniably textual that Celeste is trans rep, that Madeline is A Gender®, but what exactly it has to say is so interprative that I wonder if it even has a deliberately intended message about the subject. The fact that the dev wasn't even aware of being trans at the time makes me wonder further. I guess it doesn't really need to have a "point", but I guess I was expecting it to considering how hyped it is in this respect. Regardless though, the textual arc about overcoming anxiety and depression is flavoured really well by the trans subtext.

I'm not against heavily interprative stuff even though I'm really stupid, but I run into subjective issues I guess. This whole passage

When Madeline looks in the mirror and sees her other self; when she attempts to abandon her reflection, who then drags her down the mountain; when the two reconcile and merge to become stronger and more complete… that was all unknowingly written from a trans perspective."

from here took me a few tries to even understand ( blob-no-thoughts ) and didn't really resonate personally. I didn't really note it the first time through because, Idk, that experience of denying yourself and having it set you back, not something I can say I've had. (I know, I'm so fucking lucky) It clearly hits home for a lot of people, I actually think my wife would really like/absolutely hate that read, but to me it was kind of like Oh, Okay, I get it now, in post.

The throughline to understanding everything I'm saying (aside from the fact that I'm fucking stupid) is that none of it is actual criticism. I don't actually have any, really; I thought it was very pleasant, it is a nice arc, I like it and it's cool that you can read it on multiple levels... but it was weird having all of this fly clear over my head, which I guess is the other edge of the "every trans gender is a lil different an experience" sword.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

thank you for sharing these thoughts:) totally agree it's a desert out there in terms of trans stories and a lot of them are just tragedies too, we need more radically hopeful/optimistic shit imo.

regarding the "deliberately intended message" ... personally for me when it comes to art, authorial intent is literally the last thing on the list of shit that matters about the work. I don't really care what the intended message of anything is, what matters is what I and others get out of it. how it relates to me. I'm completely death of the author brained. that's how I personally feel and I know other people can hold very different views when it comes to art which is also valid.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

Yeah I should clarify, I don't usually give a fuck what the author says, it's more like "you can read amything into a text sure, but is there one that's more supported by the text?" I guess. That's probably still a little too literal, thanks to whoever invented Autism probably. Death of the author is always cool and funny.

I strain constantly to try to comprehend things and I'm really fucking stupid, so I'm basically the worst possible person to be dedicated to this sort of thing. But actually nerd it's not, I mean more representation in visual media is needed but I've got like 57 trans related novels, novellas, graphic novels and so on to read, on top of 36 already read and maybe like 100 more in my general tbr. My life's work and I am shit at it.

[–] magi@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't relate to most media and I'm heavily autistic in I feel empathy completely different to the "norm" hence why I don't seek stuff out.. I already feel alienated because of this and part of why I feel broken compared to everyone else. (I can't tell if it's autism or trauma or both or other factors either) Why I constantly remind people I'm from the void, because I don't experience things the "intended" way the majority of the time and it's been a source of conflict from various people over time.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

the "intended" way is bs and the backbone of lazy art critique!!! death of the author!!!!!

[–] magi@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

That's true ^^ stuff like that mirror quote above and such I don't feel anything to a lot, I don't experience emotions like most people typically would. Hence the alienation.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Thank you for linking this though, very good article

[–] SnowySkyes@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

CW: Allusions to self-harmIt's definitely quite possible that I read too much into it. At the start of the game, I read that sign that says, "This memorial dedicated to those who perished on the climb" and it kinda hits cause I draw parallels to all the girls we lost along the way. Also, I see the mountain as an allegory to the difficult mountain we all climb that is our transitions.

Either way, my puppy wife dissuades me every time I want to play it. Probably cause she'd want to watch and she's not very capable of dealing with such emotions.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

the memorial makes me cry:( yeah i also read the game as broadly an allegory for transitioning and overcoming all the hurdles that come with it, persevering despite it all.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

oh shitmadeline-stare And the clouds do get trans-flag-colours near the summit... I forgor abt the sign honestly...

When you climb the mountain are you then "done" transitioning?

[–] SnowySkyes@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

ネタバレY'know, I don't think we're ever truly done transitioning. We really just reach a point where we are happy with ourselves. When we can look in the mirror in the morning and see nothing special.

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

ネタバレByeah, that's a goodass read ngl =) what I was thinkin when I asked lol

...despite being at the happy-with-myself point I feel surprisingly very not-done bocchi-cry I have things I wanna do but shits been hard yknow

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

I agree with you I remember seeing the dev of Celeste transitioning some time after and I thought "yeah that makes sense." I dunno why, Celeste is just a trans game

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

nice! are you gonna do bonus levels/chapter 9? the post game is super fun:) badeline-heh

[–] magi@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You fairly got through it, it didn't seem like you were playing that long niko-happy

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

madeline-smug The against-the-wind sections were chokepoints but mostly it was just skill issues, I got pretty okay at it ngl...

[–] magi@hexbear.net 6 points 11 months ago

I could see you improving meow-petted

[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

girrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl i have that many deaths by level 5

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's a hard game, just getting through it makes you cool madeline-smug

[–] HelltakerHomosexual@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

tell me that while i die 60 times trying to clear a single series of jumps rage-cry

[–] ashinadash@hexbear.net 4 points 11 months ago

I did that a lot too, anytime you have to platform against the wind it sucks angery