this post was submitted on 09 Oct 2025
446 points (99.6% liked)
Canada
10535 readers
675 users here now
What's going on Canada?
Related Communities
🍁 Meta
🗺️ Provinces / Territories
- Alberta
- British Columbia
- Manitoba
- New Brunswick
- Newfoundland and Labrador
- Northwest Territories
- Nova Scotia
- Nunavut
- Ontario
- Prince Edward Island
- Quebec
- Saskatchewan
- Yukon
🏙️ Cities / Local Communities
- Anmore (BC)
- Burnaby (BC)
- Calgary (AB)
- Comox Valley (BC)
- Edmonton (AB)
- Greater Sudbury (ON)
- Guelph (ON)
- Halifax (NS)
- Hamilton (ON)
- Kingston (ON)
- Kootenays (BC)
- London (ON)
- Mississauga (ON)
- Montreal (QC)
- Nanaimo (BC)
- Niagara Falls (ON)
- Niagara-on-the-Lake (ON)
- Oceanside (BC)
- Ottawa (ON)
- Port Alberni (BC)
- Regina (SK)
- Saskatoon (SK)
- Squamish (BC)
- Thunder Bay (ON)
- Toronto (ON)
- Vancouver (BC)
- Vancouver Island (BC)
- Victoria (BC)
- Waterloo (ON)
- Whistler (BC)
- Windsor (ON)
- Winnipeg (MB)
Sorted alphabetically by city name.
🏒 Sports
Hockey
- Main: c/Hockey
- Calgary Flames
- Edmonton Oilers
- Montréal Canadiens
- Ottawa Senators
- Toronto Maple Leafs
- Vancouver Canucks
- Winnipeg Jets
Football (NFL): incomplete
Football (CFL): incomplete
Baseball
Basketball
Soccer
- Main: /c/CanadaSoccer
- Toronto FC
💻 Schools / Universities
- BC | UBC (U of British Columbia)
- BC | SFU (Simon Fraser U)
- BC | VIU (Vancouver Island U)
- BC | TWU (Trinity Western U)
- ON | UofT (U of Toronto)
- ON | UWO (U of Western Ontario)
- ON | UWaterloo (U of Waterloo)
- ON | UofG (U of Guelph)
- ON | OTU (Ontario Tech U)
- QC | McGill (McGill U)
Sorted by province, then by total full-time enrolment.
💵 Finance, Shopping, Sales
- Personal Finance Canada
- Buy Canadian
- BAPCSalesCanada
- Canadian Investor
- Canadian Skincare
- Churning Canada
- Quebec Finance
🗣️ Politics
- General:
- Federal Parties (alphabetical):
- By Province (alphabetical):
🍁 Social / Culture
- Ask a Canadian
- Bières Québec
- Canada Francais
- Canadian Gaming
- EhVideos (Canadian video media)
- First Nations
- First Nations Languages
- Indigenous
- Inuit
- Logiciels libres au Québec
- Maple Music (music)
Rules
- Keep the original title when submitting an article. You can put your own commentary in the body of the post or in the comment section.
Reminder that the rules for lemmy.ca also apply here. See the sidebar on the homepage: lemmy.ca
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Carney has already proven that he is incapable of actually standing up to Trump, so this doesn't surprise me. If he isn't willing to stick up for his own kid, how can we expect him to stick up for the rest of us?
I'm certain the basic ability to do so isn't the problem. More like, they have us at a disadvantage and he thinks tolerating Trump is the smartest play. Time will tell if that works out at all.
I disagree with this assessment.
I think that Carney was there for trade talks and refused to be side tracked from that and engage in discussions that were unrelated to the goal of improving trade relations between the USA and Canada.
He just sat there, and let Donny boy run his fat mouth, and when they got back on topic he suddenly had something to say.
Honestly, when I'm trying to have a productive conversation about something with someone and they veer off into insanity mid conversation, I usually just let them talk themselves out, then redirect them to the topic when they seem like they're done, so we can have productive discussions on the matter at hand.
Bluntly, there's no point arguing with the senile about their insane positions on anything, even if you get them to agree or change their viewpoint, in 15 minutes they'll forget and go back to their original bullshit.
How is that a disagreement?
You made an assertion about his motivations, and I think his motivations are different.
Did that not come across?
You said he was just letting him be crazy in peace because arguing is pointless, I said he's tolerating him. I think we both agree it's for the sake of trying to achieve an acceptable deal for Canada, right?
I'm disappointed in Carney but admittedly don't have enough info to fully justify feeling that yet. There's a lot of nuance at that level and it does seem like Carney is shifting our interests to other markets.
My hope is he's stringing the US along while he makes changes, basically like setting up a place to live and work before ending an abusive relationship. I understand that cutting ties completely would cripple our economy so that's not an option, just gonna wait for the end of his first year before I really make my opinion.
I was shown this link in another post that clearly shows the trade changes Carney has been working on. It's well put together: https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/features/2025/canada-international-trade/
Thanks for the link.
I heard a nice line on CBC Power & Politics today - that what we're feeling right now is the powerlessness Latin American countries have been feling for a long time while being in the US'es crosshair.
Alliance time :>
we’re gonna need to get rid of the open-air mines before doing any alliance
canada always firmly stood with the american imperialists for our own gain, i doubt south america would trust us just now that the US is starting to show us it’s back
South America isn't a continent of primitivist environmentalists, either.
Typical neolib capitulation- ahem I mean tolerance. That's worked great for the Americans, I'm sure it'll work for the Canadians /s
As much as Canadians would like to say fuck off to all things American, cutting ties like that would cripple us economically and potentially result in the destruction of our country. Tanking our economy to spite the States would not only destroy lives, but it would give Danielle Smith more fodder for AB separation, which in turn would result in a broken Canada, and eventually no Canada at all.
At the very least, Carney still needs to "play nice" for the moment, and I'm really hoping once things are in place with other markets he publically tells Trump to pound sand. I'm saving my judgement for the end of his first year. He's arguably got the hardest road of any PM in decades. That said, I really wish he'd put his elbows back up.
Antagonizing the US has worked great for Cuba after all.
Cuba actually had another friend willing to protect them for decades, even. We don't have a partner that would definitely always choose us over them.
Appeasement, if you’re nasty
Did America have some sort of 10x larger neighbor I'm not aware of?
They tolerated the bullshit trump did. At least that's how I read it.
Yeah, but that has nothing to do with my initial comment.
I basically said he's letting the foreign moron talk until he goes away. Unfortunately, I used the word "tolerate", and that triggered people's pre-programmed scripts about authorities allowing the domestic spread of genocide denial or whatever.
Tolerating Nazis has historically never worked.
Domestically? Yes.
Internationally, we're not Britain letting the Nazis build up, we're fucking Czechoslovakia just praying they don't decide to take the Sudetenland. The EU is probably Britain in this analogy, and the Soviets are, like, China.
Also:
Europe pls send help.
Right we should piss him off so he can fuck over the rest of our economy before we can transition our supply chains elsewhere. Brilliant.
Or just straight up invade to "save us" from our evil communist government.
I'm convinced they are planning some sort of annexation/invasion anyway. They'll just find a reason at some point. It can be anything. We have water and plenty of natural resources that would be good for American billionaires to own.
Just look at what Trump requires of Ukraine in order to help them. They're gonna make some bullshit up, like our resources are critical to their national security, or something like that. It's good to delay this as much as possible and not antagonize them - maybe they'll be busy invading Venezuela or Mexico first - but it's probably going to happen regardless.
They didn't lose any time. It's been a while now they've complained of drugs entering the US from Canada.
It's not impossible, but I don't think this government plans all that much in general. And, they'd need to massage the public discourse for a bit first.
I'm pretty sure the UK GDP was comparable to Germanies pre WW2 if that's what you are referring to. I agree with your point though. If I was Carney I wouldn't take it head on, but instead work behind the scenes to better position Canada.
Pre-WWI maybe. Wiemar Germany isn't know for it's awesome economy.
Which is why Britain never lost much ground despite letting them build up and prepare for a decade or whatever. And then the Nazis opened another front and got owned.
So the PM should let his personal life dictate state actions?
I think it should definitely impact what he's willing to tolerate. Or do you think he should betray his own convictions, just to appease a political bully? So much for "elbows up", then? Now, it's just, "Whatever you say, Mr. Trump"?
The trump answer is complex and will invariably end in bloodshed no matter the choices. Whether sooner or later is the question.
Appeasement is never the solution.
Delaying while preparing could be a strategy.
Unfortunately, I agree with you. If history is any indicator, this is not going to end well...for any of us. We need to prepare that inevitability.
I live near Niagara falls, I'm in the nuclear splash zone if it gets nuked, and if a war breaks out, the power plants will definitely become targets.
Good luck everyone. I probably won't be alive to see the outcomes if war breaks out.
Better sooner than later. Trump is a traitor to humanity. Hang him.
I think you'll be hard pressed to find disagreement on this around here....
Though, I have been wrong before.
Agreed.
If you are the head of a state you don't get the luxury of personal convictions. You should always be acting in the interest of the state.
Realpolitik says the best interests of Canada are to try to get Trump to walk back steel and aluminium tariffs buying time while to diversify exports and institute "Buy Canadian"
And, again...is it "in the interest of the state" to capitulate to economic extortion? We're just giving him what he wants, and getting nothing in return? And our leader is sitting there while he insults us all...including his own kid. What the actual fuck does that say about us? It says we're weak, and Trump can say and do whatever the hell he wants, without consequences.
And for the record, Trump is not going to "walk back" those tariffs. He's not only using them to fund his domestic agenda, but also to pursue his foreign policy agenda. They are his leverage over us.
Why would anyone assume he's going to just let that leverage go, especially when it's working? That's just ridiculous.
What do you want him to do? Insult him and call him a bully so that you feel better? We live in the real world, where actions have real consequences.
The US is still our largest partner, and every action we take has real repercussions, such as job loss. In my opinion, he's doing a good job handling him because Trump is unpredictable.
A savvy leader doesn't need to insult anyone, in order to make their position clear.
As an American, YES. Trump is going to fuck you no matter what, so stand up for yourself.
Unfortunately, that clown is going to be in office for a few more years, unless your people throw him out (unlikely), or he dies of a stroke/heart failure (more likely).
Just because we are going to get fucked, doesn't mean you want to provoke anything either - you don't want to get fucked repeatedly and from different angles if you can help it.
Take your own advice and do something about your president. He's your mess after all, we didn't vote for the orange fuck.