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There is only one conclusion possible: the war in Gaza is a war between two imperialist states.

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[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

not even gonna read this. terminally unserious topic. what Gazan state. what imperialism could they possibly have the capacity to do. you do not live in reality. you are playing with action figures and calling it politics.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago

No, you don’t understand, imperialism is when you fight people, and the Gazans are fighting fascists, meaning they are imperialist.

[–] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In contrast to the comrade, we are convinced that Gaza is not only a national entity but that the regime in Gaza has also several functions of a bourgeois state: it collects taxes and has an army, a juridical apparatus, detention facilities, intelligence and police personal, etc. It is the Hamas de-facto administration which exercises these state functions and has, since 2005, under the direction of a highly centralised command centre, been able to fire thousands rockets into Israeli territory. There is only one conclusion possible: the war in Gaza is a war between two imperialist states.

Imperialism is when nations. Hamas collects taxes ergo its a nation ipso facto its imperialist. Checkmate.

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

TIL that the USSR wasn't communist after 1930 because taxes. brainworms

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Imperialism is when thing I don't like, don't you that? Smh it's just like how gommulism is something I don't like too. smuglord

[–] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago

But the article is right when it says that the slogan “Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea” can only signify the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish population in the region between the Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea, “a Nakba in reverse”.

shoulder-grab

[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We publish here an exchange of views with T, a contact in Germany, focusing on the mobilisations in support of “Freedom for Palestine”.

I am absolutely not reading this.

[–] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You will be shocked, as I was, when you realize the comrade from Germany is the one defending Palestine.

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

Rare unironic surprised-pika

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The German left has some of the most embarrassing and brainwormed "leftists" this planet has to offer. The fall of the GDR was an unmitigated disaster for Germany. All that remains is a funny-clown-hammer society that's outlived its usefulness. germany-cool

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Communism is when the government does something (domestic)

Imperialism is when the government does something (international)

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago

P.S. Trotsky has sent in a silly letter. We shall neither print it nor reply to him.

[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 year ago

This has the same energy of that one left com party saying that the war is happening cause of the Palestinian bourgeoisie.

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

i hate ultras

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

They seriously stress the "don't be sectarian" part of me.

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

uh huh how-compelling please face the wall

[–] SerLava@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago
[–] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] EmoThugInMyPhase@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

Indistinguishable from “ironic” neoliberal trolls

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I remember back in the day when I thought the funny jokes and memes about leftcoms not wanting to get out of their chairs while they oppose praxis was just an exaggeration, but throughout the years these fuckers have really shown it to be very much true.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

morshupls Well Lenin blah blah nothing nothing Lenin I said magic word Lenin....

Palestine doesn't exist and deserves to be trampled on because it is oppressed and not a socialist entity pflp-octoplushie blah blah Religious political (what the fuck do you think isntrael is?) Blah Lenin I said Lenin Lenin Lenin.

Let me inject my bullshit pulled out of my ass shit and inject Lenin Lenin Lenin odut of context and without relevance.

So is "T" from pigmask-off Germany a fedposting or an AI prompt or a dirty hamas-base Hasbara?

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's easy to get confused on this one, but T from Germany is actually the one arguing that Palestine should be supported in its anti-imperialist struggle.

[–] sinstrium@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

To be fair all other trots became the green voters and shed any sense of radicalism. So the remaining trots must be better.

[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The ICC reply (though I like how they do try to reply genuinely and honestly) boils down to "but the palestinian government is/would be capitalist too, so...."

This is the very bad form of class reductionism, the idea that oppression/genocide/etc doesn't matter and isn't imperialism because it's not fundamentally along class lines. haram

Sure thing, ICC, but I don't think the people of Palestine are in any position to do any revolutions while under the iron thumb of the US and Israel. Nor do I think many people will view communist organisations positively if they sit by, ambivalent about genocide.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Infantile depravity that only appeals to the five dumbest leftcoms

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cool, they defend both Ukrainian fascism and now Israeli fascism.

This is why I hate fence straddlers. Choosing to say both sides are bad is an automatic endorsement of u.s imperialism.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

One part “false assumption that all actors are on equal footing and power level,” one part “confusing personal moral feelings for best geopolitical outcomes.”

[–] Sebrof@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This reminds me of the positions of the major left groups in the city I used to live in. When I disagreed with them they were yelling at me that Hamas IS fascist and that settler colonialism is not a useful construct as it "divides workers" and Palestinians and Israelis need to unite, etc. It pisses me off that this chauvinism is so common with the orgs in my area and the West and they talked over anyone who disagreed. They even spoke over Palestinian voices present to tell them that there is a difference between their resistance and "useful" resistance.

Fuck them.

[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

From my experience on october 7th there was two types of white leftists, first condemned Hamas because they throw women off of buildings, the other supported Hamas even though they throw women off of buildings, everyone else was confused why they thought Hamas throws women off of buildings.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

know it's trots from a mile away lol

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is a pattern of trots becoming right wingers not because of any cynicism. It’s just the natural personal growth of a neocon.

[–] LibsEatPoop@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Some highlights:

The fight of the oppressed or even the elimination of oppression of Palestinians, Blacks or women – if this would ever be possible under capitalism - does not abolish this very system. On the contrary, as is the case with the Palestinians, we can even expect that their “liberation” from the oppressing Israeli regime, if it ever succeeded at all, would most certainly lead to an oppressive regime like the other Islamic states in the region and thus not to the undermining of capitalism – not to mention its abolition.

the regime in Gaza has also several functions of a bourgeois state: it collects taxes and has an army, a juridical apparatus, detention facilities, intelligence and police personal, etc. It is the Hamas de-facto administration which exercises these state functions and has, since 2005, under the direction of a highly centralised command centre, been able to fire thousands rockets into Israeli territory. There is only one conclusion possible: the war in Gaza is a war between two imperialist states.

But the article is right when it says that the slogan “Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea” can only signify the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish population in the region between the Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea, “a Nakba in reverse”.

In this sense there is indeed no difference between the nationalism of Israel and the nationalism of Palestine: both ideologies are a cover for the drive to war and for the repression of the working class by the bourgeois state.

[–] wopazoo@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Imperialism is when war

[–] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

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