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Traditional Art

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[–] agnomeunknown@lemmy.world 165 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

When I was in college I had a professor who made the argument that Norman Rockwell's work was best described as illustration rather than art. I think it was partly due to the realism and the focus on "normal" American life with a lack of interpretation or symbolism. But looking at this now I can't help but think he was totally wrong. The look on the girl's face that says "you should see the other guy," the concerned adults having a conversation in the principal's office, there is a whole story being told here in a single frame. To say this isn't art seems crazy to me.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

He ended the Saturday Evening Post because he refused to ignore the civil rights era and was stonchly on the side of desegrigation and equal rights, and the post refused to ''be too political'' and stop hiring him for covers, and no one bought them without his covers.

[–] Mbourgon@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

Says quite a bit that they’d rather be broke than “woke”.

[–] agnomeunknown@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very cool, and good to know considering the points another poster made about his art being a driving force behind the nostalgia for a Better (read: whiter) past that has ruined so many American minds over the years.

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[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have a print of this on wood. My mom got it from her mom. We've had it my whole life. I've moved 22 times. I've lost almost everything I've ever owned at least twice. Very few possessions make it through that many moves. But we've kept this picture the whole time. It always hangs in the kitchen, except for this time around when it hands above my bed in the living room.

The only other things we own that we've had even close to as long are a painting of Snoopy I pulled out of someone's curbside trash, a red table we got off the side of the road, and some antique pottery and glassware of grandparents that hasn't been unboxed since the 90s.

Edit to add, view from my bed: 1000002556

Ignore the dust/cobwebs. I do not dust like I should.

[–] ScrambledLogic@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

And sometimes there are little details that escape notice until seeing one of his paintings several times; I've seen this one before and I liked it, but this time I noticed the mother's little smile, like she's proud that her daughter stood up for herself, or remembering when she once sat on that bench with a black eye, or maybe she's just amused at kids being kids. I like it more now, and I can't imagine why anyone looking at this would say it's not art.

[–] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

The girl's rolled up sleeves. We all know that anyone who takes the time to calmly roll up their sleeves before a fight is a badass.

[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Even the very slight grin on the principal. Sort of saying “I know we gotta punish her…but dammit did that boy deserve the beating”

[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I thought the woman inside was the school secretary. But I noticed the ribbon in the girls hair unfurled, a bit of schmutz on her knees, and the striations of the tiles.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I would argue there is a deeper interpretation. That of the girls always told to smile to look better, yet she is obviously desheveled and rough. But finds joy in the chaos that has ensued from her keeping to herself. The background being the stereotypical school of the time and she is there to shake up the system.

[–] jago@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

*Disheveled.

The rest, with attention, can be corrected yourselfly for clarificarity.

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[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 8 points 1 year ago

I think that's because he's in the uncanny valley bordering on kitsch. And doing realism whilst everybody in art was being postmodern and abstract.

I think he's in the same vein of Jan Steen, but he was doing it in the sixties.

[–] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Art is so subjective that ANYTHING can be art. We've all seen the joke art that is a blank canvas with a spot in the middle or something. Your professor reminds me of someone who argues if a movie is a film or not.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Oh good, it's not just me who sees that... That's totally the self satisfied smile of someone who knows she gave better than she got

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 146 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Know what I love about Rockwell? The hands. Artists always talk about how hard it is to draw hands. Rockwell, that dude could draw hands, and he knew it. He drew hands in this picture, through the doorway, when there was absolutely no need to, because he could. And if you look at a bunch of his pictures, he doesn't just draw hands, he draws hands doing complicated things, making complex gestures, gripping fiddly little objects, he draws old people with wrinkled skin and funky joints on their hands... he was goddamn good at drawing hands and he was not shy about showing off his hand-drawing talent.

People calling him an illustrator and not an artist are just jealous of his hands.

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Hands:

[–] stoicmaverick@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think it's pretty well accepted that, even for a classically trained artist, the three most difficult things to paint accurately are human hands, a horse in motion, and the concept of epistemology.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

me I just paint the philosophy of science of entelechy like a fuckin moron

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

NGL, you had me in the first part

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 3 points 1 year ago

I think Barnett Newman nailed the concept of epistemology

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

That grin says you should see the other guy

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Other kid not drawn because that kind of violence and gore would be unacceptable in the 50s.

("You should see the other guy.")

[–] jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

Chaos made a grave mistake in interrupting her mf recess.

[–] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I respect his contributions to the game and I know this is a thermonuclear take but I fuckin hate Norman Rockwell’s art. The art style. The subjects he painted. Their facial expressions. The soup. Just not at all a fan of his whole deal.

No shade at OP for sharing this, though 🙏

[–] Hoimo@ani.social 2 points 1 year ago

I have a similar reaction, but I find it hard to explain what it is about this picture that puts me off. I think part of it is the mismatch between the highly detailed painting and the cartoony pose and expression of the girl. The way people captioned it in this comment section also reminded me of a cartoon. "You should see the other guy", sure, but if that captures the entire painting (and I think it does), why put so much effort into it? A simpler style could have conveyed the same message. And don't get me wrong, I don't think all realistic paintings are a waste of effort, but this painting isn't realistic, it's just detailed.

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[–] 3ntranced@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The light reflection on the worn asbestos tiles just wake some ancient feelings in me. I can smell this hallway in my mind.

[–] CoolMatt@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

I do my job in various buildings of all kinds ages and construction. Recently I was in an old building like in the painting, and the radiators under the windows came on for the first time in the season.

It smelled like burnt dust and the air was dry and warm. Gave me the same kind of feeling and reminded me of my elementary school

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

There’s a former tough guy on his way to the hospital right now that severely underestimated that girl.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Reminds me of Pippi Longstocking, anybody ever read those?

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[–] Wahots@pawb.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a great piece. (And damn, that principal is smoking hot.)

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Pretty sure that's mom come to deal with the girl. In the painting's day the dad would be at work while mom was probably SAHM. Well, unless you're referring to the male principal behind the desk...then to each their own.

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I've got a print of the "waiting room at the vet" one, and I swear he copy/pasted the untied leather shoes from that one.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

My god it's Pippi Longstockings

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