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  • Trump transition weighs plan to cancel USPS contracts to build large EV fleet
    
    Postal service plans to spend billions on EV chargers and roughly 66,000 new trucks Contract cancellation likely part of sweeping executive order on EVs

Dec 6 (Reuters) - Donald Trump's transition team is considering canceling the U.S. Postal Service's contracts to electrify its delivery fleet, as part of a broader suite of executive orders targeting electric vehicles, according to three sources familiar with the plans.

The move, which could be unveiled in the early days of Trump’s administration that begins on Jan. 20, is in line with Trump's campaign promises to roll back President Joe Biden’s efforts to decarbonize U.S. transportation to fight climate change – an agenda Trump has said is unnecessary and potentially damaging to the economy.

Reuters has previously reported that Trump is planning to kill a $7,500 consumer tax credit for electric vehicle purchases, and plans to roll back Biden's stricter fuel-efficiency standards.

The sources told Reuters that Trump’s transition team is now reviewing how it can unwind the postal service's multibillion-dollar contracts, including with Oshkosh (OSK.N), and Ford (F.N) for tens of thousands of battery-driven delivery trucks and charging stations.

Oshkosh shares fell by roughly 5% to 105.65 per share after the Reuters report.

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[–] Clent@lemmy.world 84 points 5 months ago (8 children)

More EVs means lower gas prices.

This drives up gas prices.

Killing the tax credit drives up gas prices.

It's quite remarkable how economically m ignorant a large section of America is. Supply and demand is the easiest model to understand and yet these voters have been positioned to work against their own best interest at a basic economic level.

And this is only one a hundreds of examples. Fascinating time to be alive.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 45 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

More EVs means lower gas prices.

This drives up gas prices.

I know, it's almost as though the multinational oil corporations and their shareholders who backed all three of Trump's campaigns want higher oil and gas prices for some reason... what could that be?

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That part at least makes sense.

It's all the voters with their massive gas guzzling vehicles that are voting against their best interest. Over and over again.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The fact is that you're politically engaged and the average voter is not.

They're not dumb or anything, but politics and economics are not things for which they look past their noses. Politics and economics are complex topics and that's why Trump's antics and tactics work so well. He stays in the headlines and gets people feeling like they're part of a team. For a similar example, loads of folks don't pay attention to NFL players, teams, and coaches during the off season... but once games start happening, allegiances are taken. Even if a neighboring or different franchise might have a better chance of winning (thus make you feel like a winner by proxy) you might still just cheer on the team that first caught your attention/is in your geographic area. People don't want a sermon and they definitely don't want to be scolded... they want to be on a winning team regardless of the consequences of that choice (leopards eating faces, etc, etc).

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

No, thats fuckin’ dumb and people who voted for this are dumb.

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[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They could at least spend 10 minutes googling before heading off to stand in line for hours to vote for some dipshit who opposes everything they think they are voting for

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[–] DrPop@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Better get my passive aggressive stickers ready

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I was just thinking the other day someone needs to cut out a picture of Trump pointing for this purpose. If he actually implements all the things he's saying, there will be MANY opportunities to slap that on prices (even if it's only in memes online).

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand why the left doesn't take a page out of the rights playback in this regard. We've seen how effective things like this and memes are at changing people's beliefs, yet nobody is willing to try it. They'd rather have some graduate-level economics professor try to explain how things work to a bunch of people with a 4th grade reading level in order to educate them, but this is an obviously flawed approach that doesn't work.

[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I mean it doesn't need to be a coordinated act from "the left".

Go print some stupid Trump stickers that say "I did that" and go stick them on everything. When gas goes up, stick them on the pumps. When electronics go up. Stick them on the boxes at best buy.

The issue isn't "the left" as some amorphous organization. It's that most people who align more left aren't that petty. The left is a much more disorganized, factions political position than the right. And that's because the GOP has worked relentlessly to build a cohesive base.

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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 months ago

Dumb take.

Everybody knows the real cause of high gas prices is Joe Biden. Haven't you seen the stickers on the pumps? It says it right there..."I did that", with a picture of Biden's face.

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[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 61 points 5 months ago (5 children)

The existing fleet is past aging out, they are often held together with patch welds and duct tape in my area. Is the plan ride it until the wheels literally fall off, with no replacements in pipeline?

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 93 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Actually yes. They want to privatize it so that they can make money on it. Failure is the goal.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago

"Failure is the goal" needs to be the subtitle of every news story for the foreseeable future.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah but even if that's the play - could private business even fill the gap? USPS stretches the final miles deep into places not profitable to deliver to. Businesses, doing business stuff, use it to economically have their products available to the rural communities that voted these policies in.. it's all so confusing.

Is mailing a letter automated space communism? Sheesh.

[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And ironically, it’s the flyover deep red parts of the country that are the most rural, and therefore the most unprofitable legs of these delivery services. As with so many other GOP policies, it would mostly impact their supporters.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The worse it gets, the more they'll blame the libs

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[–] orclev@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They don't care if there's gaps, those people just won't get mail service. They're only interested in extracting as much money as they can from the rotting husk of the US economy. They've just hollowed out so much of the middle class now that they're scraping the bottom of the barrel and need to start squeezing the last dregs out of the barely profitable things like the USPS.

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[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

No. Not only can it not fill the gap there isn't an intent to.

It's just, sell off a chunk of the government so someone can make money on a service.

[–] Supernova1051@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

Actually yes. They want to privatize it so that they can make money on it. Failure is the goal.

Actually yes. They want to privatize it so that they can ~~make money on it~~ further exploit the working class. Failure is the goal.

Although you're right, I like to call out what it will do to everyone so it's more explicit and will hopefully click in people's minds.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 12 points 5 months ago

Why is that a question? How else do you plan to privatize one of the most ubiquitous federal services?

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The plan is to make it so ineffective it can justifiably be privatized entirely and their friends make millions by jacking up rates on a product that by design and necessity has no direct competitors.

[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

It's like having an enemy agent in the big chair leads to terrible decisions for basic needs...

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[–] arc@lemm.ee 51 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Crippling the USPS with additional fuel costs and shitty low mileage vehicles will work out great I'm sure.

[–] girthero@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago (2 children)

As designed so they can privatize.

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Not just that. They're going to cripple these services so bad that they don't even function and then blame their ineptitude on this sick remnant of the Democratic past, while they point at the flaws they created as justification.

You won't have a choice. You don't, actually.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 4 points 5 months ago

Easier to control mail in ballots if it's privatized.

[–] IMongoose@lemmy.world 48 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Don't worry, Elon Musk has a much better idea for a postal vehicle. All he needs is 10 years and 1 trillion dollars and he'll be ready with the prototype.

[–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 21 points 5 months ago

And then the prototype will be just the regular robotaxi where he stuffed a bunch of letters on the passender seat. Car is meant go from house to house and then honk untill people come down and pick up their stuff from the seat. Unfortunately, the vehicle only works in movie studios with a pre-programmed route. Those of you not living in a movie studio will have to pick up their stuff at the next Tesla dealer for a small fee of $10.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

This is probably Trump's way of telling Leon not to get out of line.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'd love it if Trump fired Elon and Elon spent his billions fighting him.

[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean it's possible.

Both Trump and Musk are the kind of rich assholes who are your "best friend" until they notice that a knife would fit very conveniently in your back. A pants shitting grifter and dot com bubble roulette winner, I can't picture this odd couple having any love lost between them.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

According to Epstein one of Trump's favorite past-times was getting his best friends to sleep with prostitutes so he could tell their wives about it and get them to sleep with him in revenge.

But Christian and family values amirite?

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 38 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And his dipshit USPS head is still there waiting for his time to shine.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Well if you watched the recent hearing the Republicans were reaming him out because he apparently hasn't slashed expensives/services enough and it's still in the red. So he might be getting replaced soon with someone worse.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Whatever oil wants, oil gets.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Reuters has previously reported that Trump is planning to kill a $7,500 consumer tax credit for electric vehicle purchases

Noooo! My friends just bought EVs and they're gonna be so smug if I don't get the credit!

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

usps should go on strike if this happens

[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Keep in mind, this is a new Gilded Age. Trump would most certainly call in the Pinkertons for some good ol' fashioned strike breaking.

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[–] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Not an option for most, I'd wager. Federal employees are free to unionize, however it is a felony crime for a federal employee to strike against the government. Furthermore, it's a felony to even assert that this is right you have, or to join an organization which asserts that right. The government's HR department, the Office of Personnel Management, is able to bar any person who violates these provisions from federal employment for life.

Laws more or less to this effect have been on the books since the 40s and 50s, but the issue came to a head in the early 80s when thousands of air traffic controllers went on strike against the FAA after contract negotiations fell through. Reagan ordered the controllers back to work, and, when they refused, summarily fired them. Where they couldn't be replaced be scabs, he activated the military to fill in, citing national security. According to the last article I read, of the 13,000 striking employees, 11,000 were fired and barred from future employment (though I think Clinton rolled some of that back in the 90s).

Considering it's clear that the GOP benefits from government dysfunction, and does everything they can to erode public faith in institutions, striking postal workers would be a gift served on a silver platter for them. Trump will giddily fire every last one of the strikers, be praised for being a big strong man who doesn't negotiate with plebs, and the postal service will be de facto shutter, even if it still exists in as diminished a form as they can get away with while still satisfying whatever requirements there are to have such an institution.

Obviously striking always carries risk, but asking someone to almost certainly throw away their livelihoods for a course of action that will likely only accelerate Trump et al.'s goals is unreasonable.

[–] Infomatics90@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 months ago

Exclusive: Trump does stupid shit. more at 11.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

I remember reading Dante's Inferno for the first time. I'm glad to be reminded of that.

[–] marx2k@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I can't say watching red wisconsin counties get fucked hard by Trump doing the thing everyone expected him to do isn't satisfying

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[–] swampwitch@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I really don't understand why money is so much more important to these people than not fucking over the environment.

But I guess you don't get stinking rich by thinking about anything other than money. The concept of a wider world must really be foreign to these cunts.

Maybe a few more assassins are in order.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 4 points 5 months ago

Controlled hvac systems wherever they go, travel to anywhere on the planet to golf at your desired temperature.

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 6 points 5 months ago

USPS employees love it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 7 points 5 months ago

I kind of wish someone was keeping track of speculative “news articles” like this and holding them accountable when they don’t come to fruition. There should be some reputational cost for making things up and spreading rumors.

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