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People arguing about the price of gas, but as soon as someone mentions driving an EV they're "stupid" and woke

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[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 60 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

That's Facebook for you. People love to complain about things that take them out of what they have gotten used to but the moment someone offers a possible solution they dig their heels in the sand.

They're essentially just shouting out and seeing how many people will absentmindedly agree and reaffirm their view point

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oh it's a standard social media echo chamber, and I'm well aware that we're in one here too. But at least here we aren't saying that the gas prices are a conspiracy done by the dEMoCrAtS!! Of course to them the only solution is to... have big government regulate gas prices, god forbid they think about alternatives

[–] CorrodedCranium@leminal.space 5 points 2 years ago

I agree Facebook just specifically annoys me because it's a lot of dumb posts put out without forethought.

[–] dansity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Facebook is the worst social media site of all where boomers and racist people shouting at each other. The best one can do is to delete themselves.

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[–] oldGregg@lemm.ee 41 points 2 years ago

'The worlds changing and change scares me!'

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not defending them, but if I can't afford a tank of gas I likely can't afford a whole new car. Hell I can afford a tank of gas and I still can't afford a new car.

[–] mononomi@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yeah not a lot of second hand ev's out there to buy.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lots of them on Autotrader when I looked a week ago.

The problem is, they still want $40k for a used EV.

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[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

"BUT WHERE DO THEY THINK THAT POWER EVEN COMES FROM!!????"

Well, if someone would spend two seconds thinking about it, renewable are a good investment. It's not like we want to stop burning coal today, but this argument gets me everytime.

[–] jonne 27 points 2 years ago

Plus, burning fossil fuels in a dedicated generator in optimal conditions, then converting that to electricity, transferring that electricity over the grid to an electric car generates less emissions than burning it straight in an ICE engine to convert it into kinetic energy. Even if you ignore all the fossil fuels that are burned during extraction, transport and conversion before it gets to your local petrol station.

[–] shasta@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

Yeah... The power for my EV comes from my solar panels. Both a great investment. Now that the electricity company is raising rates on electricity usage, I'm even happier with my decision.

[–] AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

The only thing coal has going for it is you can burn it when the sun is down and the wind has stopped. Solar makes more financial sense

"On average, the marginal cost for the coal plants is $36 each megawatt hour, while new solar is about $24 each megawatt hour, or about a third cheaper.,Only one coal plant – Dry Fork in Wyoming – is cost competitive with the new renewables."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jan/30/us-coal-more-expensive-than-renewable-energy-study

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Republican moral compass makes an excellent ceiling fan

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (4 children)

But gas prices are so high due to Biden lowering the supply by checks notes conditioning any expansion of renewable energy on first increasing the amount of federal land leased out for extraction of oil and gas many times over.

Huh. Guess BOTH parties are lying about him. Who'da thunk that the senator from MBNA (second biggest credit card company before being bought by Bank of America) would be on the side of big business? 🤔

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

gas prices are so high because biden ate all of it

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[–] 7heo@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)
[–] jonne 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Basically they've been told to hate it. The oil industry has spent millions pushing all kinds of misinformation to make sure we wouldn't move off oil, even if there are a million reasons beyond just global warming why it would be a great idea. We've known since the 70s that this would be an issue, and governments around the world have just all been ignoring the issue for half a century.

[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah, at first it was the "glorified golf cart" angle, but when Tesla proved that wasn't true, it turned into "they're too expensive", "ackthually they pollute more", "rare earths", etc... There will always be something.

[–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Idk if they’ll be any good, but I thought this was interesting as a manual car driver when I saw it.

Toyota, however, has patented a way to provide the look and feel of a manual transmission in an electric car. … The car's torque and performance will be altered as you "shift" to provide the feel of a gas-powered vehicle.

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/features/electric-manual-transmission

I’d still switch to an EV either way once I have a way to charge it at home

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[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

long press, select all, copy/pasta

[–] thanevim@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What's awesome about this is when you drive a hybrid. All your power comes from gas or regenerative braking, but it's so efficient that it's still painful to the average Republican

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

There's no 'or', really. That kinetic energy you're capturing with regen braking, you got that by burning gas. All your energy comes from burning gas.

Unless it has a plug, it's a gas car.

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[–] Asymptote@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Got my 🅱️ig 🅱️rained takes here:

  1. In many use cases, EVs are worse for the environment

  2. Even in these cases, it might be better for the society in that pollution is no longer concentrated in towns and around roads but at power plants where mitigations can be centrally handled by solutions that can be made to scale

  3. In many cases, EVs are far inferior. In many cases, ICEs are far inferior.

  4. I wish I could afford an EV plox send monies

[–] SirIrius@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Absolute nonsense. EVs are better for emissions than ICE engines. And a cheaper over the life of the car.

From the Union of Concerned Scientists:

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/electric-vehicles-are-cleaner

[–] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think the poster above you is trying to say that the materials and operations involved in EV production are even worse than that of the ICE vehicles combined with the their post-manufacture emissions. As far as I understand, a completely electronic vehicle (not a hybrid) would produce no emissions of its own, compared to one with an internal combustion engine.

But I understand equally little abort both.

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[–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is Elon Musk good or bad in their eyes then?

[–] TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Most seem to conveniently overlook that he has a company that produces EVs.

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