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Summary

Representative Sarah McBride, the first out trans congresswoman, criticized Donald Trump’s executive order defining gender as strictly male or female.

McBride points out that biologically all embryos develop as female until the SRY gene activates weeks after conception.

The order, which ties gender to reproductive cells at conception, unintentionally categorizes all humans as female from conception based on biological facts.

McBride’s remarks highlight scientific flaws in the policy.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 211 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Anyone who thinks this shit is funny is in for a rude awakening.

They do not fucking care. They will use this the exact same way that they would have used it if it was worded correctly.

You don't get out on technicalities in fascism; if the autocrat in charge wants to do the thing, he will do it. All of these things will be used as cudgels against perceived political enemies, and marginalized US citizens.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 67 points 4 months ago (8 children)

I want people to try to be less pesimistic, the point is that technicalities like this will waste time. Every one of these exectuive orders is going to be challanged in court, and while the GOP controls the higher courts, these cases will start in the lower ones. With any luck, the lower courts will stay the order until things can get resolved. Every appeal, every challange takes time to process and judges are under no obligation to resolve things quickly.

The goal currently isnt to try and overturn the order, thats just pissing into the wind. The goal is to waste their time for 2 years and hope the house flips, if it does, we can send 47 back to his golf course for the rest of his term because he wont be able to accomplish anything.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

The Senate flipping is also a very real possibility in 2026. There are 22 Republican seats up for grabs and only 13 Democratic ones.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 months ago

Man, I'm tired of people calling realism "pessimism." It's kind of a huge problem actually when you think about it.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They do not fucking care. They will use this the exact same way that they would have used it if it was worded correctly.

The reason why this is good news is that the more bizarrely worded the order, the easier it is to get it throw out in court, America even now runs on the WORD of the law, not the intent.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

America even now runs on the WORD of the law, not the intent.

Yeah except not really. Have you paid attention to recent SCOTUS decisions? They aren't even bothering to make cogent arguments in some cases, and hearing others that never should have standing in the first place.

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[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 194 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

Theres two possible interpretations due to the at conception bit I think. Either he made everyone a woman, or he abolished gender all together. Either way this EO make Trump the single largest gender changer in history as he just changed the gender of either ~150 million or ~300 million people.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 4 months ago

It's fun to think about the hypotheticals, but the reality here is that it does not matter the exact words in the EO. We know what they mean, and they won't let some silly technicality stop them.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

I really would like to see some people ask for a divorce off the fact that they were married under false pretenses. They believed they were marrying a man.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 25 points 4 months ago

"At conception" leaves no room for interpretation - he abolished gender altogether.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Remember that sex =//= gender.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

From what I read of the executive order, it seemed like he specifically got rid of gender and only recognizes sex since that isn’t an identity thing.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, true, the article right there says “As of today, it will henceforth be the official policy of the United States government that there are only two genders: male and female,” he declared.

Well, that's just dumb.

It reads to me more or less like "It's the official policy of the United States that mass and weight are the same thing."

Like I can understand the confusion that some people would have over such similar concepts, but to claim they're the same is just ridiculous and very easily disproven.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (5 children)

It’s definitely 80 year old senile old man logic.

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[–] Absaroka@lemmy.world 129 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I'm not sure what is more disconcerting. That the people in charge truly are a bunch of fucking idiots.

Or that those idiots have outplayed and outsmarted the Democrats at damn near every turn for 20+ years.

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The President in particular is very much a figurehead — he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice, always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it.
– The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

One team is trying to govern, and the other team is trying to win.

If Democrats lied constantly, denied science, sowed fear and hatred, and used the law to enforce their personal religious beliefs... They'd be indistinguishable from Republicans.

[–] ArtemisimetrA@lemmy.duck.cafe 12 points 4 months ago

This assumes the Democrats aren't also keenly aware of what is happening and either doing a real sorry job of putting up any viable opposition or are in on the game. The two-party system is a front

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[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 110 points 4 months ago (6 children)
[–] Nougat@fedia.io 38 points 4 months ago (1 children)

TWO GENDERS ENTER! ONE GENDER LEAVES!

[–] superkret@feddit.org 19 points 4 months ago

Mad Musk: Beyond Genderdome

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You kids are spoiled with all your gender identities. Back in my day, we only had one gender, and we were grateful for it!

[–] superkret@feddit.org 16 points 4 months ago

You were lucky! We had to share a gender with everyone in the village!
And when that prick Jane had it, it always came back bent!

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

For some reason this makes me think of the inscription on the One Ring.

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

One gender to start them all, one gender defines them

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

One gender to bring them all, and in togetherness find them

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

It began with the forging of the Genders. Three were given to the Transgenders, eepy, wisest and fairest of all beings. Seven to the Non-binaries, great miners and craftsmen of the mountain halls. And nine, nine genders were gifted to the furry-folk, who above all else desire power. For within these genders was bound the strength and the will to govern each gay community. But they were all of them deceived, for another gender was made. Deep in the land of Mordor, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Sauron forged a master gender, and into this gender he poured his cruelty, his malice and his will to dominate all life.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 86 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I think the bigger issue is hiding in plain sight:

a person belonging, at conception

Personhood does not begin at conception.

[–] Lennny@lemmy.world 46 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We all know that's why the mistake was made. It's not exactly rocket surgery.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

It’s a P2025 script. Oklahoma made it into law into September, with the same ridiculous misunderstanding of basic biology. It doesn’t matter, they know who they are supposed to oppress.

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 58 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Trump: "You must identify with the gender you were at the time of conception."

Science: "Everyone starts out as women and don't become men until 6 weeks after conception."

Trump: "That is exactly what I meant. Everyone who knows science must identify as a girly girl."

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump decided he wanted to be the first female president obviously. Don't you liberals understand 5d chess!?

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago

"Trump beat Hilary to being the first woman president" is honestly hilarious to me. Sad, but also hilarious.

[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

He literally just wants to be the first female president

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[–] kablammy@sh.itjust.works 49 points 4 months ago

At least McBride can now use the women's restrooms in the Capitol. And so must all the other politicians!

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Donvict and his supporters (yeah, I know, don't blame the precious voters!) don't really understand science.

Someone should sue JD Vance for addressing Trump as Mr. President. Illegally addressing him as a man. Clearly sewing doubt in the direct orders of the president, it's detrimental to the entire country.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Its so stupid that the government of one of the world's most powerful countries is occupying itself trying to restrict people's healthcare and bathroom usage based on some poorly understood and arbitrary rules about zygotes. Meanwhile, the planet burns.

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[–] eodur@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Does this make him officially the first woman president? So progressive.

[–] TrueStoryBob@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If it's retroactive, then we haven't had a single male president.

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[–] NudeNewt@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago

So this means we did get the first female president! Yippee

[–] Canopyflyer@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

I KNEW IT!

I'M A LESBIAN!!!!!

I've known my whole life and it's a relief to FINALLY to be able to come out officially.

THANK YOU PRESIDENT RUMP!

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Isn’t that every despot’s idea, though? Make all laws used to control people nebulous enough that they can be applied to anyone for whatever reason? Just because it’s inept doesn’t mean it isn’t useful.

[–] zabadoh@ani.social 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

We'd all better march down to the DMV and update our genders then...

It's required by imperial edict now.

[–] Kaput@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No! That's where the pants pocket removal squads will get you.

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[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Haha this is so awesome, she should tell that one to a trans person being denied healthcare.

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[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The president Donald Trump is the president with more women in their cabinet ever.

Dude is literally drowning in pussy

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